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In the city of Chicago, state of Illinois.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=2.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna Lucinda Hatch: My name is Anna Lucinda Hatch, I'm 66 years old. Today is September the 20th, 2017. Born and raised in Chicago, born at Cook County Hospital. I'm a retired school teacher after 32 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=20.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shirley Alfaro: That’s great. Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=36.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie Fay Hatch: Oh, hi! My name is Jennie Fay Hatch, my age is 65. This is September the 20th, 2017. I live in the city of Chicago, in the state of Illinois, all my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=41.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Thank you so much for taking the time to come—for us to come—and speak to you. So, why don't you tell me a little bit about where you grew up? [pause] You can start—whoever wants to start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=57.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Where I grew up, um, in terms of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=73.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: In—tell me a little bit about living in ABLA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=76.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Okay. Growing up in the Jane Addams project, is what—was what—we knew it as and fact of the matter, [clears throat] when we were living there at our early age, we didn't know we lived in the projects. We didn't know that because, uh, until we found that out much later that that's what—that's actually where we lived in Chicago Housing Authority. When we were growing up there as kids, we didn't think of it as that we just thought of it as a beautiful building we lived in, a home. There was 10 of us in the apartment that we lived in, after Josephine was born. When we first moved there, of course, she wasn't born. She's—we moved there about in ‘62, I think it was, ‘cause I was a sophomore at Marshall High School at the time—in 62. And, so, I had to take the bus to go to school every day until I graduated. [laughs] So that's—but, uh, we spent a lot—I spent a lot of time as the, I guess, as the oldest one—I spent a lot of time at school and so, I didn’t spend a lot of time in the neighborhood. I didn't go to the school my sisters went to, and my brother went to the school in the neighborhood, but by the time—as being the oldest—that we moved to—into Jane Addams, I was already about 15 or 16 years old, somewhere around in there. But, uh, when they started, I think about the—we had a good time in terms of our family unit. That we've always, basically, been together and we sort of, like, always—these were—these have always been considered my friends, not just my siblings, but friends—and my brother—friends, because that's the way that our family was. It was just really close knit at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=79.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: That’s what I remember growing up there, uh, spent a lot of time, um—after the University of Illinois, Chicago was built, I was able to walk over—we were—I was able to walk over to there and use their library, actually, when I—after I graduated from Marshall High School, and then I was at University of Illinois at Navy Pier—that's when they had first started, um, well before they moved to where they are now, but Navy Pier was where I went in ‘64 of ummm—I graduated in January ‘64, so I started there. They wouldn't let me graduate in June, Marshall [High School] wouldn't let me graduate in June, but they had half your graduations at a time. So, I was able to go to Navy Pier, and then when they—when they moved from Navy Pier over into the neighborhood and into the area where they are—not on____—I was able to walk over to the library and growing up. I basically left the household when I was 24, I started teaching at 22, graduated from Chicago State University—well, it wasn’t University then. It was Chicago State Teachers—it was college, before that it was Chicago Teachers College on the West Side, and then it moved—then it became Chicago State College, which is what my degree—cover of my degree—says. Doesn’t say university, because it wasn't university then, back in that time. And, so, growing up just had—I say we lived a sheltered life because we basically, we went to school. I didn't do a lot of outside playing, so I didn't have a lot of friends in the neighborhood—not like they had [laughs] and my brother, of course, he had, but didn't have a lot of friends in the neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=192.0,303.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So, Anna, can you tell me a little bit about what it was like growing up in ABLA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=303.0,308.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Okay. Okay, growing up in the projects, we had this, um, we had this—this two apartment that we lived in. There was three in one bedroom, three in another bedroom, my daddy’s room, my mama slept on the couch, right there, and he slept in the bed. We had two bathrooms and we had two doors. There was three—three, um, three doors on the first floor. The door on this side belonged to a neighbor, one lady live there—an older lady—and we had the other two apartments on this side, and then—okay. I came there when I was—I think I was 11 years old and I was the oldest one to go to Reese school, ‘cause I think I was in fourth grade, and that school—that’s the school that I graduated from. Jenny Marshall, and Josephine was in kindergarten at their—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=308.0,369.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: You missed Nancy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=369.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Nancy! Nancy was in second grade, but I’m talkin’ ‘bout Josephine was the only one that was born there, in the projects, she was actually—but we got a picture of Josephine on there, when she was about one or two years old. That’s the baby you see running all over those old pictures and everything. [pauses] Crane—when we first went to high school, Crane was overcrowded, so we had to go to the neighborhood schools for our freshman year of high school, and that was Jackson. That was right over on Laflin—it was on Taylor and Laflin, right on that side. In—they called it “Little Italy,” that's where it was. Okay, so that's where I—we went to school for, um, freshman year. Being at Reese school, oh, I loved Reese school! We had some of the best teachers. Mr. H____ was our principal. My favorite teacher was Mr. Frank, that was my eighth grade teacher. There was, um, [counting] one, two—exactly two black teachers in the whole school. Miss Hill and Mr—what was your science teacher you all talked about? That science teacher that got her nerves so bad. [laughs] And then—but the one that we call, um, the “thug” of the family was Jennie, because she belonged to something called ____ [crosstalk] —you did!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=372.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: —but she ain’t ask for all this yet. [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=457.0,458.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Well! This is growing, this growing up. And then—and then, the only one that actually had—was the fighter—because every once in a while in the school you had fights. Nancy was the fighter and it’d be many times that we was chased home [laughs] end up in a little fight, but fighting back then was so different from what they do now. They were just lil’ kids.\n\n[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=458.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: My mama stayed up at the school for her—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=470.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: She stayed up there. [laughs] She stayed up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=482.0,485.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Yes she did, had to keep going up to see about her—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=485.0,487.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: And then there was the boys club, right on the corner of Taylor and Throop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=487.0,491.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: That's where Marshall—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=491.0,492.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: And that's where he learned how to do— [crosstalk] Jennie was at the boys club, Marshall at the boys club. That was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=492.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: He was on the baseball team—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=498.0,499.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: And we went over there just recently, last—last week. I said, “We wouldn't even recognize that whole spot over there.” Now right across from our project—that's when they did the first new buildings, right across the street, and I said “Something is coming here.” They did the first row of [stammers] middle income housing, right across from our, um, our project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=499.0,524.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Now, that's the 1970s, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=524.0,526.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: No, no. We was in the three stories, we never was in the 16 story. They were the Croft, the, um, Roosevelt, the 16 stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=526.0,534.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Yeah, we wouldn't—we wouldn't go across Roosevelt—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=534.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna:  —Couldn’t go across there—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=536.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: because you would be fighting with the folks over there. 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We stayed in Jane Addams—[crosstalk] And then they had Robert Taylor—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=546.0,549.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Right. 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Because at that point—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=608.0,621.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: ‘62 to about ‘74, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=621.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Yeah, I know it's a long time, but growing up there, I was one that was like going out a lot. In the neighborhood, I played a lot of games in the animal court, you know, I was like—you can call it the most ‘sociable’ one if you want. It wasn’t like being a ‘thug,’ I just— [laughs] And so, they didn't have games in that—they just had—it was a group of us—[crosstalk] —and we just hung out together. I was able to walk to where Al’s is now, to get the hotdogs for 26 cents, on a day that we was able to get our allowance, right, but that's where we were ran back from, by the Italians! [laughs] That's what—what—we didn't go past where the boys club was, which is like Racine now. And, like I said, just went over there and just remember the boys club there, and this way back towards Pat—all the way back to Morgan Park—and that is where the Italians ran us from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=624.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So, tell me a little bit more about that—that kind—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=683.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: You knew your boundaries, you know, because we knew where to go and where not to go. Just like you—I said—we didn't go across Roosevelt Road to the 16 story people because we knew that was gonna be a fight and, like I said, we were very basically protect—I was probably more protected and even they were ‘cause the only time I used the animal court—to go through the animal court—was—was to go get—go to ____ so I can pick up the bus to go to Marshall. And then—but other than that [mumbles] Oh! We used to walk to Jew Town—what we call Jew Town. 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I bought Marshall his first, um, his suit. He didn't really like it. He had to be about, what? Seven or eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=729.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: It was a school called—it was a store called Terry’s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=736.0,739.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Yeah, it was shark skin, and we used to make him wear short pants and he didn't like none of—none of that. He didn’t like to wear short pants either. You got to see those pictures to see what we talking about [laughs] But when I—when—I was the first one basically with a job, I guess you could say, and so I was able to do that. So I’m going out and would buy ‘em some clothes. I bought him a set of clothes one time he had to be—Oh, I don't know about—you think—how old was he? [pauses] Oh, anyway.\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=739.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: He's the only one—he's the only one that would not dress up for Halloween. For Halloween, we—we always had bags for the candy— [crosstalk] And we always went to all the projects. Once we went to all the projects around there, we had bags full of everything—but he the only one would not put on a costume. We wore a thing—we called ourselves \"bums.\" We put on one of my daddy's old suits and that was our costumes.\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=767.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: It talked about, uh, um—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=774.0,783.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: But you wanted more about the neighborhood, huh? About growing up in the neighborhood and being away from the Italians. 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During the school time was when we were able to socialize with other kids, but then we were coming from the family that—we was one of the ones that was looking at the streetlights and we know we had to be home before dark. And so, if we was at the boys club, or if we was out in the animal court—wherever they had people play—but when we saw the sun coming down, we just had to make sure we was at home. That's how we had to grow up like, again, we didn't have like the project living now, because we didn't know we were in a project. We had this big lawn in front of our building [crosstalk] —that sat in the middle—[crosstalk] I don't have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=802.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: With the lawn—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=807.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: No—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=817.0,823.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: That’s where we played at, inside the big giant lawn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=823.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: And—and a family that took the guy—that took care of the lawn, we didn't know he was—his title was custodian, whatever. We just thought he was a neighbor that took care of the—and he had a big piece that he would do and he would be in competition with the other—other places of Chicago Housing Authority because they would be in competition to see who had the best looking. He would have flower—sort of remind you of what they do on that, um, at, uh, on central—Central Park—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=860.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Garfield Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=889.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: —Garfield Park conservatory! If you ever see the beautiful—that's the way that used to look in front of our building. We can look out the window and see, and he would be out there, and he would do something every spring. He would have, uh—so we—that's why, you know, we had those type of things going on we just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=890.0,906.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: You gotta understand about the projects too, we didn't know it—it had such a—it was supposed to been so down—lower on the, um, on the totem pole—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=906.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=915.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: —because everyone living in the projects—we had a policeman that lived right next door to us, with his family. It was just people that had a lot of children and they stayed in the projects. Wasn't so much that it was low income or something, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=915.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: No, we, never thought of that. We didn't know we was poor! We didn’t know it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=930.0,933.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: We didn’t know we was poor. 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She used to sit down and just read—just sit down and just read all—all the stories to us, or she’d do some of them from memory. ‘Cause we was children, she did the, uh, the nursery rhymes and the, uh, fairytales and so on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=1365.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: She read poetry. 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Would you please come and help?” and they would not leave, they would not leave. 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It says Reverend Elijah Hatch, and spinster. 14909, where we stayed the other 18 years of our life into adulthood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6053.0,6062.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Right, right, but that's after the part that was after the projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6062.0,6065.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So tell me a little bit about your father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6065.0,6068.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Pastor—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6068.0,6069.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Well, our father, gee—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6069.0,6072.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: —came from—came from Mississippi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6072.0,6075.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Well, actually, I was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6075.0,6076.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: He got pastored in 1935!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6076.0,6078.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Right. When I was born, he had to be 40. I think he was 40, 41, so he didn’t start having children, till he was 40. So by the time my sister, youngest one, was born, he was 57. He was 57 when she was born. He used to take her around and everything, and he would saying, you know, you know—and they will say “Oh, look at your grandbaby!” He would say, “Ain’t no grand in there! Look at her, ain’t no grand!” and he was just so proud of that. [laughs] —But he spent a lot of time—he spent a lot of time at church, which would be away from the family household. We would see him in the morning and we wouldn't see him again until the night. That’s how—and that's how we lived, but he was a provider! He was a provided, he worked at Swift \u0026 Company for a while, didn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6078.0,6123.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: That’s why we, um, when we went on our excursions we always went on the L because he's gone—he’s gone in the morning [crosstalk]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6123.0,6130.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: So, when we lost our mother, we lost all of that because he was not there, so we had to sort of team together. 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He always—those the certain things that I remember my daddy, that we did with him, and now we're just so proud. Always just be walking around Buckingham Fountain, holding my daddy's hand. And then every Christmas, he always brought a tree in there, Christmas Eve. As we set up—we set up Christmas Eve, just decorate the tree. 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I remember sitting up there on a Saturday morning after, you know, at the church—everybody left to find out what had happened, including—we had one aunt, who lived to be 107, my dad’s sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6262.0,6278.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: 108.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6278.0,6278.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: —108. We all was sitting on the couch and, uh, they was telling her—the sisters of the church—“Reverend, We gone have to see what we gone do with the baby, because, uh, them girls, they teenagers, they can't raise that baby.” And he say right there on that couch, this couch right here—one of them couches there—and said, “Y'all ain’t taking my baby nowhere! I'm gonna take care of my baby!” And I told Josephine, and she thank us now ‘cause she could’ve lived with Aunt Mary. \n\n[laughter] [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6278.0,6313.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Her life would’ve been totally different! She thanks—she thanks us now, that we did not—well daddy didn’t—but then, that means that he had to be home more during the day, ‘cause we were all at school. That's why he used to always—when he had to go to a funeral or something, or go to church—he would always take her around to Arsene Adams house, right around—just walked her around there. And when Reverend got out of school, we had said Reverend— Marshall—when we had to walk him around there, you know, after school, and that's where we would go after—til we get out of school and then we would all end up at home, but this is after my mother had passed. So my dad was there with—raising Josephine as—as his baby. He wasn't—and then when he didn't want my brother to—and when he got to be about eight or nine years old, it was just on Saturdays when it wasn’t no school. He said, “Boy, you wanna go with me?” And he said, “Yeah,” [crosstalk] and, “Put some clothes on.” So he get clothes and he be gone with Dad, all day with that. 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Can you share some memories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6404.0,6410.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Oh, gosh! [crosstalk]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6410.0,6410.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Our baseball field, it was one big—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6410.0,6410.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Love that animal court.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6410.0,6412.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: —giant one word that, that was home plate and then there was two on the side—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6412.0,6418.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: What kind of animals were they though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6418.0,6419.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: They was, um—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6419.0,6421.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Zoo animals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6421.0,6421.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: —one was a hippo. 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Go ‘head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6805.0,6808.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: —where you were at when you—when you heard that Martin Luther King was assassinated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6808.0,6812.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I was at Crane High School. I graduated 1968, I was a senior and Mr. Ha—Mr. Mahogany, our principal—we just kinda go up under his desk. We was afraid to go home, we couldn't go home because we used to do walk, um, walk down Madison—Madison was burning up. So we tried to walk this way, and we finally just walked home. The buses weren't running at all. So we had to walk from Crane all the way home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6812.0,6837.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: As soon as it happened that afternoon, it kinda like became a mob action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6837.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6840.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Us staying, like, on Harrison and I think ____ catch the bus to Harrison, bus straight down, but the Crane—I mean—we was all at Crane, when it happened. And so when we finally got home—because Reverend Haggard and them stayed in Henry Horners, which was down there on Lake Street. That's another set of projects that—that, um—that’s on Lake Street, and they just all just—everybody just went, like, crazy, and then when we got home, I’ll never forget my daddy bought a Buick sports wagon—bought everybody Buicks—a Buick sports wagon, and we got home, we was coming home, we was coming down the street and he was standing outside with some of the people in the neighborhood, and he was saying—he just cried—he said, “They done shot Dr. King. They done shot Dr. King!” I'm like, “Daddy, we know. We know.”  He was just crying—but he had just bought that car when it happened. April the 4th, 1968 and then that's when they gave—it just was a while for us to get back ‘cause our church was located at 3162 West Monroe, and it kind of broke his heart real bad because that was downtown. [crosstalk] And they burned from Madison and Pulaski all the way down—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6840.0,6867.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Kedzie down to Pulaski. All that used to be stores. [crosstalk] They burned all that down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6867.0,6923.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Marshall High School and the church we went to for years—[crosstalk]—were still standing was that, uh, um—across the street from there, so it kind of got the bulk of that happening when it came Sunday but he even dealt with us, you know, everybody was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6923.0,6937.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: When the rioting started, we were—we were basically home by then, ‘cause in ‘68, I was at Chicago State ‘cause I would graduate that December and so, uh—I can't remember though, where—if I was on the South Side on my way home—oh, I mean, not the South Side—where was, um, yeah, it was on the South Side then. Stuart. It was on Stuart and ___. So I had to have come from the South Side, but I remember being—being at home, uh, with the aftermath—all that was going on, and we weren't anywhere around where all the burning was going on by the church. All that rioting, we weren’t around that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6937.0,6978.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: [crosstalk] —stayed inside. He didn't—wasn’t gone all day that day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6978.0,6983.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: I can’t remember that much about where exactly I was. [laughs] in six—because in April ‘60—now I tell you, I can remember in November 22, 1963 where I was. I was at Marshall High School walking through the halls because I'm getting ready to graduate—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=6983.0,7007.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Who’s that? Kennedy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7007.0,7008.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Kennedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7008.0,7009.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: [mumbles] that was ‘64, ‘63? Okay. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7009.0,7009.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda:  Yeah, and it came on the—the, uh, mics through—through the, um—intercom–that what had happened to Kennedy and all I could remember, most of the students we—because, at that time, Marshall High School was, uh, was, uh—was integrated—in terms, it wasn't all black, it wasn’t all white. It was mixed. And we were all wal—I remember walking the hallway—down the hallway—and when I heard that, we just—everybody just seemed like they stopped where they were in their tracks, and just was listening again, and just could not believe that this is what had happened. And that's what I remember about that, but I remember when that happened exactly, I—we—they announced it through the intercom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7009.0,7055.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So I just wanna shift gears a little bit,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7055.0,7057.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Oh okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7057.0,7057.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Can you talk a little bit about, um, some of the—the neighbors that you interacted with, because we hear a lot oftentimes of folks that, you know, the neighbor that did the hair or the folks that, you know. Do you had like the candy lady? Did you have any type of, like, folks that you would kinda go into the neighborhood, or your neighbors that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7057.0,7077.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: [crosstalk] Her house is only one we went to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7077.0,7083.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Who is she?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7083.0,7096.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Her name is Arsene Adams. Now we stayed in a building, and this is before, like I said, we didn't do none of that stuff. We had to go all the way over to the West Side, to our auntie’s house, to get our Shirley Temple curls ‘cause we didn't—wasn’t nobody in the area. The Jeffries—we were THE family that was like, The Family that will do things—game night or watch TV—with us from the third floor, and I think on a second floor there was a family called the Moore’s. It was a lot of them and I think they were two parent and, uh—so we didn't have, you know, if we needed sugar or anything, you know, they would send down to our house and get it rather than—because, you know, we had food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7096.0,7120.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: We had a community—we had several—two community activists that live right across from us in those—in the row houses across from our three story. That was just a one story, the row houses. We were three story, but right across there was row houses. Her name was Barb—it was the Barb—The Barber Family. They were act—um, community activists—and I think they even named a building after one of them, um—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7120.0,7120.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Barber, they named the building—they did. They named [crosstalk] after she died, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7120.0,7135.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Barber, what’s that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7135.0,7143.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: The Barber—[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7143.0,7143.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Oh, gee, her first name was Barber, I can’t remember her second name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7143.0,7154.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: ‘Cause you're not talking about the Marshall’s that lived on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7154.0,7156.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: No, we ain’t talking about the Marshall’s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7156.0,7158.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: They was over there, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7158.0,7158.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Because they lived in the building next to us. 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Like I said, our mother used to make our fudge, our peanut brittle, [crosstalk] —bread and everything else. We didn't have, like, a candy store like they have set up in there now. We didn't have like no beautician, sitting on the porch doing—I mean we weren't in that culture. That's just what the projects, after the fact, that ended up into, like the ones that the younger people be talking about, where they talked about where the elevators didn’t work half the time. We didn't we didn't live in none of that environment. Like I said, when the—when the Jane Addams—and we did history on it, well Pastor did—or Reverend Hatch did— well, Marshall did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7165.0,7206.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: He’s all of those names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7206.0,7207.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: When he talks about—when we talk about Jane Addams Project, and he's such a historian, he said, “You know—you know, black folks weren't the first people to move into these projects—“","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7207.0,7216.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Right, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7216.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: He said, “No, they were white.” I don't know if they—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7217.0,7220.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: From after the war, I think it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7220.0,7222.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Yeah they was white. They have—they have, uh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7222.0,7223.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: They built it for the families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7223.0,7226.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: —things now, in the history books, they show the an—that big animal we were talking about? This white girl is laying upon it. They got that out there now which means we came, like, after the fact. And it was considered low income living, because that's how we were able to get it, because when my father [stammers] had all these kids, you know, he never worked when he left Swift \u0026 Company, so he kinda depended—I remember my sister Joan, used to have to make him a little booklet of monies that he used to get from the church, and that's what he used the get the apartments over at the thing to show this is his income, you know. “You got this and got 10 kids?” They say, “like what?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7226.0,7267.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Eight kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7267.0,7269.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Eight kids. [laughter] [crosstalk] There was 10 of us, I’m sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7269.0,7271.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Now the church that he would pass off, they didn’t really—they didn't really pay that much. It wasn't that much. He did different revivals, different places and got money from there, and so on. That's how we were supported. 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You could look out your window and when you look out the window, you would see that, but it was a nice—I mean, coming and going? You can imagine. In the spring and the summertime, that was a—that was a nice place. I don't know if they’d let you play over in there. 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But I’m talking ‘bout, we had pets. We had pet turtle, we had a—my momma had a—a canary that flew out the window and died. It flew out the cage and it used to fly around the house—the canaries. She had some finches. We had bird cages. ___the only one that had a lizard. 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I just was like—I like—I have, uh, ____ people I used to go to Reese school, met a lot of people there and I just was never like a loner, you know? So, every time they had something at the old town boys club, and I used to love, uh, going on Friday nights where you can, uh, pay a dime and go—go and have some real live music and play but you—it really started right after school and so, I used to love to go there. 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[crosstalk] Well, they had—that’s when they had—used to make the big donuts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7841.0,7848.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: And they had—I remember the cake donuts from there and the glazed donuts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7848.0,7851.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: What’s the name of the bakery?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7851.0,7852.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: I don't know what the name of the bakery was, I just know it was right next to the laundromat across the street. I can’t—have no idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7852.0,7860.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Is it Scafuri? Scafury?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7860.0,7861.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: That might have been it, if they say that’s what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7861.0,7863.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: It’s still there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7863.0,7863.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: No, it’s a smokehouse now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7863.0,7867.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: It’s a smokehouse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7867.0,7868.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: The bakery is still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7868.0,7869.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sisters: The bakery is still there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7869.0,7871.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: If that's the bakery you went to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7871.0,7872.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: It was right there on Taylor Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7872.0,7873.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Right next door to—it was closer to Loomis—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7873.0,7876.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: It’s still there, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7876.0,7877.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: It was closer to Loomis. I’ma have to ride down there. It was closer to Loomis than it was to, uh, uh—what's the street? Racine. [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7877.0,7886.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I was trying to remember what the nationality—‘cause Richard was a Polish person. 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[crosstalk] They was Polish too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7900.0,7906.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I don’t remember what they nationality was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7906.0,7908.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: I believe—I think the ba—if we're talking about the same bakery—[crosstalk]—Italian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7908.0,7911.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sisters: Italian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7911.0,7912.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie:  [crosstalk] —because that's why they made it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7912.0,7914.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: That’s why they called it Little Italy!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7914.0,7915.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: —right, because there was nothing but Italians around there. From Al’s all the way down to, uh—[crosstalk] almost to Ashland! All of that was Italian, all back across—[crosstalk] that’s why they—that's why they built—that's why—no I don't think none of them was Polish. I think all of them was Italians because that's why they built the Columbus—big green Columbus right in the middle of the block, with all the black folks [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7915.0,7944.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: It's in the park. 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Can you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7959.0,7964.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: You know how many times Marshall and them got chased?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7964.0,7968.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: I know I did ‘cause I—you can’t even go up there on Al’s and get that hotdog with the hot peppers on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7968.0,7974.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: You couldn’t go that far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=7974.0,7975.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: If you got close to there and if you didn't really like know nobody, or sometimes we just have to grab our little white girlfriend and walk down there with us, and we would get by, but other than that, if you stayed there, there’s no way you was gonna be walking at night. 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You didn't take no bus, you know? 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Our mother would always let us take the Blue Island bus [crosstalk] down there to Woolworths, and she would send for us, and she would bake a cake, and she would always call for us on our birthdays to go take that Blue Island bus. And it takes you right downtown, in front of that Woolworths. And, like I say, the fur—furthest I ever walked was to Halstead, and Jew town, we walked there all the time. I was walking with her to register for school—this was in ‘69—and because I didn't know what I was going to do, because I've just barely got out of high school. I knew I didn't—I didn’t want to go to college. So I'm walking with her to register—it only cost $10 to register—and they was in a trailer, right where the university sit down now. And so when I'm walking over there with her, she said, “You may as well come on to school, because Daddy ain’t gone let you stay at home and do nothing. You  better just come on and go to school.” And she said, “I'll pay it,” it wasn’t nothing but $10 to register. So I registered with her and began most of our classes at the B campus, which was in—on—Madison Street so we can, like, walk there everyday from Crane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8109.0,8175.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So, can you tell me a little bit more about Maxwell Street? 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[crosstalk] —to get Daddy a pork chop","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8199.0,8205.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie:  Even after he got sick—\n\nAnna: with grilled onions–\n\nJennie: He had two pork chops, even after he had \n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8205.0,8206.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: And that was a tradition. I don't know what they—but you know when they closed off—remember they closed off the street today that everybody used to be on and everything? They closed it off. What was the name of that? Maxwell?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8206.0,8218.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: That was Maxwell Street. That’s what they call it, Maxwell Street. It’s kinda like your— What do you call those places? Like up on ___, what you call them now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8218.0,8228.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Where the homeless people live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8228.0,8229.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: No, no, no. What do they call them now? When you go in and there’s a whole lot of different stores and stuff?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8229.0,8235.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Oh, the flea markets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8235.0,8236.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Flea market! It was like a, just like a flea market, walking down there and then—but then they had—in the middle—they had [crosstalk] The Five and Dime store. Before you got that, you had the Five and Dime store. You had Three Sisters, where I brought my [pause] where I bought my prom dress from, Three Sisters. 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I mean the, the businesses didn't have—didn't think nothing about bringing stuff outside and setting up a display.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8300.0,8314.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Joyce used to buy hubcaps down there. 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[crosstalk] What fire hydrant riots?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8331.0,8334.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: It happened off of Roosevelt.\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8334.0,8338.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Again, that’s one of the times after we left. That’s the type of projects they used to have after we left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8338.0,8344.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: and they may have maybe they did it while we were there. But we weren't ever a part of it. 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[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8422.0,8438.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Whatever material it is, that—it’s—[crosstalk] I don't know how you describe that material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8438.0,8442.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: But it's kind of like what this is [crosstalk] but with designs on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8442.0,8446.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Jennie, show it to em","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8446.0,8447.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Like this, but with designs on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8447.0,8449.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/613","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro:  What kind of designs was it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8449.0,8450.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: It's kind of like, you know, like that the design they had [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8450.0,8454.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Like a floral design?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8454.0,8455.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Yes. Something like that, on that brown thing— [crosstalk] which was the same color, and that red, that was the very first–","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8455.0,8462.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Now the living room was located in the second apartment. 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[crosstalk] What else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8542.0,8546.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: A TV. It was black and white until she put—she put a thing in front of it. The old color thing from Walgreens, where they had a blue top, in the middle was yellow, on the bottom was green. 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We all are able to just sit around, and then at a certain time the younger ones had to go to bed, cause they couldn't stay up past nine o'clock. We couldn't see Gunsmoke. 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It sat on the wall over the, uh, yeah. That's just the bottom. It was a big old clock that just sit with spokes on it, and then the bookcase. Then just a few pictures, and really just pictures that, that I see of Josephine and Daddy and Josephine again. This is me, I won Queen of Topia at the—Malcolm X. [laughter] So I had to take a picture of that, and this my girlfriend. 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We just had a side coffee table this is right before you go in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8704.0,8710.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Was it wood, or glass, or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8710.0,8712.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: It had, uh, that little marble on top with the brown bottom. And it was no cocktail table, or else we wouldn’t have been able to sit in there. This is the living room, it’s small. So, we had this cocktail table, remember? Right next to the bookcase, Daddy’s room. [crosstalk] And then on the side there—\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8712.0,8730.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda:  We sat on the floor to watch TV, and if you moved—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8730.0,8733.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: We didn’t have that. 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At one time later on we had a machine—we had a washing machine and the dryer in the dining room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8757.0,8768.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: What kind of table was it? Was it a wooden table, or a glass table or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8768.0,8772.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Marble bottom table. [crosstalk] Old fashioned table, and at first there was four chairs that came with it because we had to get—we did sit down there a couple of Thanksgivings because we bought—he had brought folding chairs, but you only had like—yeah, this is it. [crosstalk] This is—this is our first Thanksgiving, see we got the little chair? This is our first Thanksgiving after our momma died, ‘cause it said 1980, and my Daddy got up and told the congregation that we canned him to death. Joyce did all the cooking. We had canned yams, we had canned string beans, everything. But this is our Thanksgiving right after the death. That’s the door leading on to those halls. 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So this is the one in Daddy room. All I remember—they ain’t fond memories— with them sweating, them them walls sweating like forty going north in the wintertime, and the pipes downstairs [mimics noise of pipes clanging]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8938.0,8967.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: The heat was always good [crosstalk] Yeah, we ain’t never gon’ freeze up in there [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=8967.0,8974.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: We didn't control it, but we weren't able to do it, but it had—they did it in the basement. 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[crosstalk] Maybe she brought it out for Reverend—or Marshall—to sleep\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=9043.0,9051.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: We never used it [crosstalk, laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=9051.0,9053.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: We never never used the door to go in or out. it was kind of like our little [unclear] right inside the apartment and, like I said, right next to that is that small kitchen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=9053.0,9063.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Small kitchen was right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=9063.0,9064.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Had a chain on the door. 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Of course everybody had, you had a—your space in your [crosstalk] You had a drawer that belonged to you [mumbles] [crosstalk] No, that’s Arsene Adams house. Yeah, we don't have a picture of our dresser","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=9132.0,9152.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: No we don't have a picture of our dresser. You see her house is in a  same format [crosstalk] There’s her living room. 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[crosstalk] It was low income housing, Chicago Housing Authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12821.0,12838.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: The other person that lived in that other apartment, right there by itself, it’s like an older lady and her son lived there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12838.0,12844.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda:  Did we give you enough information in terms, you can see how it looks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12844.0,12848.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?: I just have one question about the fire, which is, which helps—or not helps—but, once the fire happened, then you moved into Jane Addams? 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Can you just talk about the journey from the South Side and each apartment that you moved into until you got to Jane Addams, and then a little bit about the house that you moved into after Jane Addams?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12862.0,12877.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Okay. Yeah, that's an idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12877.0,12879.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna:  The house on Evans, 7342 South Evans, was our Aunt Mary's building and she had a first floor and a second floor. We lived on the second floor. 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Can't even tell you, can't even remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12898.0,12906.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Hubbard Street, one was on Hubbard Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12906.0,12908.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda:  Where we were actually all born, but if you try to take you back to where we were born—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12908.0,12916.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Naw, you don’t wanna go back that far. [laughter] I think starting at the fire—if you starting at the fire—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12916.0,12920.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda:  Well you want them to know how we got to Aunt Mary's building!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12920.0,12923.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: He didn’t ask that, he asked about after the fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12923.0,12925.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?: What year was the fire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12925.0,12926.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: [crosstalk] Had to be 59', cause he was one year old [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12926.0,12932.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: He was almost two. [crosstalk] He was being weaned away from his bottle. He didn't want to tell the story, I’ll tell the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12932.0,12938.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: See what happened was, when we—when we got burn—when we left at the Southside and had to transfer the courses, we were no longer in school there. Once the fire happened, we could no longer go. We couldn't confiscate none of our stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12938.0,12953.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: So that's I wanted to tell him about how fire started. If I tell him how fire started, then she can pick up right where you was talking bout now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12953.0,12960.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: That will give you a year because I know where I was in school. He asked what year it was. 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Then, we actually lived at our church for awhile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12972.0,12990.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12990.0,12993.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Then, we moved over on 1545 South [crosstalk] After we left there, we went to 3820 South Polk. After that, we went to [crosstalk] 3844 South Polk that’s across from [unclear] school, the school we went to that I taught at for 30 something years, [unclear] school. After we came from—after we went to 3844 Pope, then we moved to the projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=12993.0,13018.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie:  Okay, back to the fire. Now the fire happened— [sighs] [laughter] The fire happened–why we had to move. I mean, we lost almost everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13018.0,13029.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: We did, We did lose everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13029.0,13031.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Okay. We did lose everything. He was looking for his bottle—we, my mother—was looking for his bottle. 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[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13048.0,13051.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sisters: [repeating] A match.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13051.0,13052.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Yeah, she struck a match.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13052.0,13053.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: No, no flashlights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13053.0,13056.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: We aint have no flashlights. 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You couldn't run and go get no pacifier. [crosstalk] After we—after the fire, and all those places she named? We might have stayed not at those places all less than a year. Month to month. We was moving until we got to the project. So that was what, four moves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13065.0,13087.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: Moving all over a year. We only stayed a year at 3820. We stayed a year 3844. 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September 1960.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13102.0,13118.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: So, what year, again, did you—did you move into Jane Addams and how long did you stay? What year did you arrive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13118.0,13125.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: ‘62.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13125.0,13126.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: And you stayed until?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13126.0,13127.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: [crosstalk] ‘74","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13127.0,13128.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: And then after there you went to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13128.0,13130.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: The house that my dad bought. [crosstalk] 4909 West Huron. We stayed for over 18 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13130.0,13137.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: He and Joyce, together, they bought—he bought a house for—actually he bought the house. Our father bought the house [crosstalk] He found a house and he asked Joyce to go look for a place, to get ready to move out the projects. That’s when they was getting ready to move out. By that time, I was already out but, I mean, that's what they were doing. And so he—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13137.0,13156.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Were you still living there Jenny and—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13156.0,13159.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: They've never lived apart! I told you they've never lived apart. Never! Even when they moved to Lombard. Y'all stayed together in Lombard, right? They've never lived apart. 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[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13186.0,13190.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I believe so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13190.0,13191.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Okay, ‘cause I remember the day—[crosstalk] I didn't even want to go there because we talking ‘bout leaving, ‘cause I remember My Nancy—My sister Nancy got married [crosstalk] Same day she got married, we had just moved out his house [crosstalk] she got married, uh, the same day he graduated from Dunbar. The same day, that's when that's, uh, you don’t really want to know what happened after that. That’s when everybody started, you know. She got married, she moved away and stuff, but that—that journey, from this journey, to Huron was—it was a journey, and we've been together, you know, except separated by death. We lost two sisters and so, other than that, we back almost where we started. We're—we're together but separate.  That's why everybody got a door on their apartment. \n\n[laughter] [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13191.0,13254.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: —lifelong friends, not so much from, from where we grew up, but a lifelong friends were at church. Uh, I don't know anybody that, um—except from Crane High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13254.0,13264.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: At Crane, my one girl friend, Patricia Loy, who stayed next door to—she's kinda like, I became a first godmother at the age of 15, when she got pregnant, but other than that, that's the only person. We knew about four families and they the ones that I named; the Jeffries, who stayed in our building, The Solstands. We actually saw the daughter Solstand, came to the church my brother pastors' now. They found him on the media, because he'd be out there every five minutes. They found him on media and actually, came to the church and it was just like, Angela Solstand, and we could not believe it. They said, Oh! And then there was a guy named James Buckley, who grew up with Reverend. He belongs to the church now. He keeps us in contact. They have picnics, Jane Addams picnics in August. They have uh, other functions again, the Jane Addams just had, and they got a whole Facebook page with Jane Addams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13264.0,13324.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I know they use, uh, uh—Facebook had this bad reputation, but the good thing about Facebook—we're meeting people that we never would have met again in this life, through Facebook, cause they see the difference. Even the kids that I taught in school. I been teaching kindergarten for, gosh, had her in kindergarten. Um, and I'm seeing so many of my students say, \"That's you, Miss Hatch?\" So Facebook has some good things, communication.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13324.0,13352.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: But the, the families again was; the Moors, the Sostands [crosstalk], the Lloyds, and the Collins, [crosstalk] and the Hunters that was across the street. [crosstalk] We never like, like, Reverend more so had the neighborhood, like Sammie Head, the one he named, and then Cisco who he comes still comes to churches. They went to college everything but him and Cisco. Cisco stays over by the townhouse—no, uh, the 16 story—and they played little league together at the age of nine years old. And they still know each other now and he getting ready to be 60. So I’m talking ‘bout, as far as neighborhoods or family friends, like I said, our life longtime friends was over—because we knew nothing but Ada and Kedzie. That's where the church was, 3162 West—[crosstalk] Still is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13352.0,13376.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: Well, is there anything else that you'd like to share before we? 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So, now do you understand now why you just couldn't interview me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13416.0,13421.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: [laughs] I absolutely do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13421.0,13421.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Now—alright, now you understand","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13421.0,13424.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: I know it’s hard for you to believe, but we never actually had no—nothing on the wall. Only things on the wall was that clock and that picture, on the wall. We didn't have stuff—pictures—like we have all around—[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13424.0,13434.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jennie: Not in the kitchen—not around here—but in here, this was the Jesus picture was [crosstalk] and then there’s a clock, this clock. The clock that’s on one of these pictures that shows—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13434.0,13446.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anna: But, as far as our bedrooms and stuff? We didn't have no pictures on the wall and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13446.0,13447.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rhoda: Are you going to be able to scan the pictures that you need to select from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13447.0,13455.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948/transcript/65923/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfaro: You know, um, I didn't—we're going to look at the photos. So I just want to wrap up because I'm gonna stop, but Anna do you have any questions? No. Okay. Robert, do you have any? Okay, cool. Well, thank you so much. I'm gonna go ahead and stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/127012/file/238948#t=13455.0,6270.12644"}]}]}]}