{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/pk06w9850b/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Turner, Larry (Int #2)"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/548/original/OHA_Mark_2.0_Transp._copy.png?1752767076","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Narrator(s)"]},"value":{"en":["Larry Turner (Full Name)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Refer to as"]},"value":{"en":["Larry"]}},{"label":{"en":["Narrator Pronouns"]},"value":{"en":["he/him"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interview Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eLarry Turner recounts his personal journey of transitioning from a suburban lifestyle to living in public housing, a change brought on by the financial difficulties faced by his mother. His story highlights the resilience of the human spirit, showcasing how individuals can endure significant challenges while still holding onto hope, even in tough circumstances. Through Larry’s narrative, we gain insight into the dual themes of financial struggle and the inner strength that people can discover within themselves during trying times. \u003c/p\u003e (summary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Public Housing Affiliation"]},"value":{"en":["Former Resident"]}},{"label":{"en":["Public Housing Locations"]},"value":{"en":["Robert Taylor Homes","Stateway Gardens"]}},{"label":{"en":["Content Warnings"]},"value":{"en":["Death","Substance (drugs or alcohol) use and/or addiction and/or trade","Police Interactions","Physical Violence","Eviction","Houselessness","Overt Racism"]}},{"label":{"en":["Themes/Topics"]},"value":{"en":["Family","Poverty","Section 8 and/or Mixed Income Housing","Community (Overarching)","Gender and/or Sexuality"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keywords"]},"value":{"en":["motivation","state failure","survival mindset","neglect","roots","determination","advocacy","writing"]}},{"label":{"en":["Decades Covered"]},"value":{"en":["1980s","1990s","2000s","2010s"]}},{"label":{"en":["Life Dates"]},"value":{"en":["1975 (Birth)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Race/Ethnicity"]},"value":{"en":["Black, African American, and/or African Diasporic"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interview materials available"]},"value":{"en":["Audio—.wav","Transcript—polished PDF","Finding aid—polished PDF","Index (in Aviary time-sync)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Oral Historians"]},"value":{"en":["Troy Gaston (Interviewer)","Troy Gaston (Post-Production by)","Sharon Lanza (Post-Production by)","Nedra Deadwyler (Post-Production by)","Liú Chen (Post-Production by)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interview Date"]},"value":{"en":["2022-30-07 (Recorded)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Method of Interview"]},"value":{"en":["in-person"]}},{"label":{"en":["Recording Location(s)"]},"value":{"en":["625 N. Kingsbury St Chicago, IL (Both)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Audio Quality Notes"]},"value":{"en":["A few cell phone alert noises in the second half of interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Additional Notes"]},"value":{"en":["Turner describes this experience as one characterized by a “tunnel vision” effect, where the layout and atmosphere create a sense of uncertainty about what lies beyond the entrance. This metaphor highlights the psychological state of apprehension and curiosity that accompanies such an environment. Turner articulates that upon crossing the threshold, visitors are met with an ambiguous landscape that challenges their expectations and perceptions, encapsulating both a physical and emotional journey.   “Anytime you see somebody living in such deplorable conditions, fighting to just survive and be able to make it, it gives you your motivation to want to do something else.” This transformation in his viewpoint underscores the resilience found within adversity and highlights how such experiences can serve as powerful catalysts for change and personal growth.  Turner contemplates the idea that upon reaching what we often perceive as the ultimate reward—symbolized by the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow—we might discover that it isn’t an external treasure at all.   Turner’s narrative illustrates not only the struggles faced by families in public housing but also the resilience and determination that can emerge from such challenging circumstances. His reflections serve as a poignant reminder of the human spirit’s capacity to endure and find hope amidst adversity."]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eEach oral history interview is considered to be co-created, ‘joint work’ among the oral historian, narrator, and, in this case, the Museum. In joint works, the creators are considered joint copyright owners, who have “an equal right to register and enforce the copyright” (Rich Stim, Stanford Libraries, “Copyright Ownership: Who Owns What?”). Standard copyright law grants a number of exclusive rights to each of the copyright owners, including: the rights toreproduce, distribute, adapt, perform, and displaythe work(s), privately and publicly. NPHM manages these components using Creative Commons Licenses. All interviews are shared withAttribution and Non-Commercial 4.0 International licenses (CC BY-NC 4.0 Deed), meaning that they can be reproduced, distributed, performed, and displayed for the general public if the user credits the co-creators (Attribution) and does not make money from the usage (Non-Commercial).\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003ePlease contact the NPHM Oral History Programs Manager if you'd like to download a copy of any of the interview materials (audio file, transcript, or finding aid contents).\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWhen using an interview from the NPHM Oral History Archive, use the narrator's full name the first time you reference them. 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National Public Housing Museum Oral History Archive, [insert URL], recorded [write out full date of interview], accessed [write out full date of most recent access]: pp. [pages of transcript cited].\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003eFootnote Example\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003eJanetta Sue Pegues, interviewed by Francesco De Salvatore, National Public Housing Museum Oral History Archive, [insert URL], recorded June 18, 2018, accessed June 2, 2024: pp. 10-15.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003eFootnote Form\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr\u003e[NarratorFullName in First Middle Last Order], interviewed by [InterviewerFullName in First Middle Last Order] National Public Housing Museum Oral History Archive, [insert URL], recorded [write out full date of interview], accessed [write out full date of most recent access]: pp. [pages of transcript cited].\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eLarry Turner recounts his personal journey of transitioning from a suburban lifestyle to living in public housing, a change brought on by the financial difficulties faced by his mother. His story highlights the resilience of the human spirit, showcasing how individuals can endure significant challenges while still holding onto hope, even in tough circumstances. Through Larry\u0026rsquo;s narrative, we gain insight into the dual themes of financial struggle and the inner strength that people can discover within themselves during trying times.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eEach oral history interview is considered to be co-created, \u0026lsquo;joint work\u0026rsquo; among the oral historian, narrator, and, in this case, the Museum. In joint works, the creators are considered joint copyright owners, who have \u0026ldquo;an equal right to register and enforce the copyright\u0026rdquo; (Rich Stim, Stanford Libraries, \u0026ldquo;Copyright Ownership: Who Owns What?\u0026rdquo;). 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This interview was conducted in one session on July 30, 2022, and is part of The National Public Housing Museum’s Oral History Archive. Readers should keep in mind they are reading a transcript of the spoken word, rather than written prose and are encouraged to refer directly to the original audio when possible. The following transcript was started by Sharon Lanza and edited for clarity, accuracy, and style by Liú Chen. The narrator is in the process of reviewing this transcript, as of January 2025. Readers should also bear in mind that the beliefs or opinions of the Narrator do not represent The National Public Housing Museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Troy Gaston: Okay, I’m Troy Gaston with the National Public Housing Museum, utilizing this space as an oral historian. Before I begin, do I have your permission or consent to audio record?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=0.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Larry Turner: Yes, you have my permission to audio record.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=10.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Would you like to offer your full name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=13.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: My name is Larry R. Turner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=19.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay. We are recording from the office of the National Public Housing Museum: 625 North Kingsbury Street. Would you like to offer your date of birth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=22.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I’m going to elect not to at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=34.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay. What about the period and decade?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=36.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I can say ’75. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=39.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay. Today’s date is July the 30th of 2022. So, I’d like to start off with: approximately when did you live in public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=43.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I lived in public housing from 1989 all the way up to almost 2000.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=58.0,64.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay, did you—do you remember the complex you was living in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=64.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: 4525 South Federal, Apartment 1010.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=68.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Alright, is that complex, does that complex have a specific name of the complex?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=71.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: It was Robert Taylor [Homes], I want to say A, because they had alphabet behind them. Yeah. So, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=78.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay. Okay. So it was Robert Taylor. When and how did you come to live in public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=88.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, I came to live in public housing when my mom fell on hard times and we ended up moving from the suburbs. So she applied for Stateway [Gardens]. We ended up moving in Stateway for a short time, and my sister ended up taking a fork or a knife to defrost the refrigerator, ended up destroying the refrigerator. Well, we were facing eviction, we had to hurry up and migrate to one of the other housing, and then that’s how we ended up in Robert Taylor 4525.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=90.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Ooh. So who else lived in your household at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=121.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: It was me, my sister, and my brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=126.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay. Any specific memories you want to share about living in the Robert Taylor Housing, like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=127.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: You know what, I can share many. Like even with coming in, when you first come through the door, the way that they got it set up, you don’t know what to anticipate on the other side, it’s like tunnel vision. Then you walk up the stairs, you on the 10th floor. So you got a nice little journey going there. The maintenance wasn’t always what it needed to be. So you will pretty much go inside the place, walk in, see the different people goin’ around. And you would try to stay to yourself to a point because you’re new to this experience and not knowin’ these people. But over so long, I’ve come to realize you get friends, you start interactin’ with people, and it go from just bein’ you comin’ in and trying to survive, to a community. So that’s what I remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=135.0,177.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Right. So if there was anything that you would associate the Robert Taylor Housin’ with, what would that be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=177.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: At one point I mentioned prison, but then I’m also going to switch that today to motivation. Anytime you see somebody living in such deplorable conditions, fightin’ to just survive and be able to make it, it give you motivation to want to do something else. Cuz you often had people who were dyin’, bein’ murdered right in front of your eyes, different stuff that would occur. Simple little disputes become bloodshed. It was just motivation to do something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=190.0,219.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: And with that, with that motivation, how do you see that motivation being manifested in the way you exist successfully within public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=219.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, it made me work hard. It gave me something that you would want to call your own. It made me want something slightly different. It made me know that you can go through any condition and survive, and actually make a difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=232.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: And how many times have you moved? So when—y’all left the projects, Robert Taylor Housin’, in 2000—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=246.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Well my mom stayed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=256.0,257.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: She stayed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=257.0,257.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: She stayed long after that. She stayed until they physically closed the buildings and they gave her what was called scattered housin’ after that, and she ended up moving to 43rd just off Cottage Grove.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=257.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=268.0,269.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I ended up moving to 4048 South Lake Park. And I was doing my own thing, cuz at that point, I was grown and I had a son of my own, and my mom decided that she wanted to go that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=269.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Okay, so what were your experiences, like after public housing, pertaining to finding housing, right, residing in the Lake Park community—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=282.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, I come to realize that was a search, everything that you pretty much want, it’s like going to the end of a rainbow—you’re always looking for the pot of gold. What if you found out when you got to the end of the rainbow, it was no pot of gold and you was carryin’ it on the inside of the you all the time, and you just see a mirror where the pot of gold is supposed to be. And it’s remindin’ you that everything you was searchin’ for and everything you was lookin’ for was already inside of you, and you was just missin’ it because you were so preoccupied with the journey [short pause and chuckle] that you didn’t even have to go on. That’s kind of how it was. It was a search. Everything you had to get approval. Everything you had to be accepted. Nothing was ever really your own. You had to do interviews to be able just to get on the other side of the door to get an apartment. It showed you the process is determination and making it happen on your own. Nobody gave me anything, nobody got anything. It was still you had to qualify because even when they let to Section 8 people—the Public Housing people go, you had to qualify, you had to be and paid your rent, you had to be a decent individual, you couldn’t have no kind of criminal record, you couldn’t do certain things that they require for you to do. It’s a program. It’s like anything: do I want to be a part of you and are you qualified to be able to do what we doing right now? That’s what it was, a search, an internal search to be able to do something different. You knew you had it in you, but you just had to believe that it can happen and be determined to get it. That’s what it was that I discovered. It was like a rainbow with nothing there. You just know that you got to make it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=294.0,391.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: And how do you apply that same question of after the public housing projects,  what was life like? Searching, like you said, involves work—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=391.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, I put it like this, it was a struggle. Anything that you start out with is a fight. It was like, you don’t know what to expect. You don’t know where you’re goin’. You don’t know how you’re gonna sustain it. You don’t know what you’re really looking for, until you get the means to be able to happen. Like last time I said, If you believe strong enough God will make a way. When I initially first got my apartment, I was just gettin’ my job at the organization that I worked for which is University of Chicago Medicine. I was 23 years old comin’ in, never really held a job like that before, they trained me and showed me what to do. And it was just maintainin’. I had to learn how to budget, I had to learn how to maintain the little things that I had, I had to be respectful, I had to comply with the lease and the contract. When you young, you will never have to think that there’s guidelines that you have to follow and if you break them, they can automatically, in the middle of your lease, ask you to leave. Nobody thinks about the consequences of their behavior. You just young and livin’. But when you young and livin’, and you pretty much got consequences that come your way, you learn how to maintain. Somewhere along the way you go from being a young man or a child or a baby in some people’s eyes to becomin’ a grown man transformin’ and trying to be successful. That’s what I learned: how to survive. It’s like a boot camp for life. People might not realize that they’re going through it until they finally made it to the other side. But all of the developments that I done been in, from Stateway, Robert Taylor, Cabrini-Green [Homes], it was a boot camp for success. And I didn’t even realize it, cuz when somebody shootin’ or actin’ crazy and you running for your life, it’s teaching you what not to be and how to survive and make it to that next level. Boot camp. When you in boot camp in the actual army, they teaching you how to survive or what you might encounter in the field. Whoever know that the simple things that you come across is gonna be what’s gonna maintain or teach you down the line. Cuz when I was first comin’ in there to me, it was a rough experience. I saw young ladies havin’ babies before they time. I saw men coming through who wasn’t really trying to apply themselves, cuz you had the ladies puttin’ backpacks on, trying to go to school, get an education. You had the men, they was selling drugs. They wasn’t trying to do nothing right away. Only when they realize that they have more value and more worth, and some of them could have been CEOs and had they own businesses and maintain themselves, did they start movin’ forward. I come to realize, sometime struggle is the thing that force you to have to move forward and make a change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=404.0,560.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: How do you feel about the role of the State in situatin’ families into public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=560.0,566.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I feel like they disappointed and let go. Cuz think about it. If some of these people had resources and opportunities prior to them comin’ to public housing, maybe they could have been a house owner. Cuz if you really think about it, if you got resources and money and you got the education and knowledge and know how to apply it, life change. It becomes better for the individual on the other side, but if you teaching the people just to go ahead and struggle and survive and endure what they goin’, then you puttin’ people in survival mode and it’s every person for themselves. I think the State let us down in so many ways. Cuz there was no money, no checks, no real food situations. No Home Depots for you to teach them how to even repair their apartments or do anything to ‘em. They let these people down in a way, but then you pretty much had to endure what was left. State, if you really look at it, it should have been the State itself, because everybody in there was for themselves, you had to fight to survive for yourself. The State disappointed and the State let people go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=566.0,631.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: And what was some of the consequences you experienced or others experiences as the result of, right, the State abandonment that you described? What were some of those consequences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=631.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: The consequences that I observed was a lack of finances, a lack of resources, a lack of support, a lack of education, a lack of individuals bein’ able to have self awareness to be able to establish businesses and call they community they own. It was a lot of things that I felt was pretty much left to the individuals’ vices. Cuz the thing is, with anything you got, like even when you buy a new car, the dealership normally give you an orientation or an in-service about the car that you finna buy and drive drive. They never gave these people that. These people never understood they value, they never understood they worth, they never understood what it took to get to the next level. Nobody ever pushed them with classes or to educate them on how to be financially secure. It was all just a struggle. Everything that they encountered and endured was a struggle and if they had somebody actually processin’, holdin’ they hand to a point, showin’ them the way or teaching them a better form of doing things, these people would have been stronger, more educated, more financially stable, more able to do what they need to do as far as following they dreams, as far as making things happen, or just changin’ they community. Cuz think about it, if they would have had entrepreneurship programs where these people could have been learning how to do businesses and become independent and sell products and go from there, they woulda had wonderful things. If these people had art classes and was able to do murals on walls and actually show their gifted abilities, take they frustrations out on a wall, imagine the beautiful murals you coulda had that will still be here many years later after the projects has gone. Because you had artists in there. You had people who were singin’ and rappin’, you had dancers, you had performers, you had Bud Billiken parade performers and people just giving they all to this community. If they actually had somebody who was really supportive, somebody who cared and showed them structure, you don’t think it would be more Black businesses that actually be thrivin’ than it is today, versus people crawlin’ and beggin’ for resources and draggin’ themselves to situations that they didn’t have to go through, if they actually had the means to sustain themselves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=645.0,783.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: What was—so, demographically, when we talking about the families, particularly from the Robert Taylor housing projects—they class, race, they genders, was it women and men, majority women—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=783.0,804.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: No. The way that it occurred when I was in there—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=804.0,806.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Black or White, was they rich, was they poor? Like what was that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=806.0,809.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: The majority of them was at the poverty line. A lot of them was Afro Americans. It was mainly women with they kids. You maybe saw maybe a teenage son every now and then. Or you would see an adult male figure, they didn’t live in the house but they would still pretty much spend time within that house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=809.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: From your experience, what was the justification around the separation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=831.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I actually think it was a form of control. Division. Cuz when you take a male out of a household and you don’t allow him to pretty much provide and take care of his family, it creates division and resentment where that family can be strong. That’s like any race of people, if you take the time and you take they supportive system or the person who is they main strength or protector, they fall prey to the environment and the land that’s around them. I think a lot of the stuff that they did was by design. They didn’t want a strong black male role model in the house. They didn’t want a father or an uncle there. So they would give them little small things of justification like maybe food stamps or a check—there might be three, four hundred dollars. I might make your rent anywhere from $30–100, make you feel as if you don’t need him. So now you got a father who really want to be with his kids and actually want to support his family, but she’s telling him that he’s useless because he don’t have a job that’s generating the kind of revenue that she’d need for him to have. Everybody has this unrealistic expectation that every Black male is strugglin’ or not making it. Sometime they want to do the best, but they heart is destroyed. You done took his family before he even had the opportunity to try to build anything. He got the system comin’ against him, police officers tryna put records on him. He’s goin’ through all these different struggles of trying to survive from day to day not being murdered. How can you pretty much sustain the family if you got the woman who’s the apple of your eye, the thing that you desire most in the world, to take care of your kids and everything that you’re trying to build being destroyed at the seams and the cracks, going against you. So a lot of the stuff was, to me, if you did this other stuff to other races, and you took the—all of the men out of the houses, you stop them from being able to take care of they family, you found ways to destroy they financial means by throwing false allegations and crimes on them. It would be a crime to that community because you depriving’ it of resources and you robbin’ these families of they support structures that actually keep them strong. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=838.0,972.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: So, when I asked you about your experiences growing up in Robert Taylor Housing Projects, you specifically spoke about crime and then you speaking about crime now. I guess my question is, what was the relationship between the police officers and that community, since crime, as you said, was running rapid within that community—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=972.0,998.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Abuse. The relationship between the police and the community that I was in, Robert Taylor—the interaction was negativity. Police would often come across people, assume that you were selling drugs, throw you on the hood of they hot car, see you in your nice clothes, make you get down on the ground in the mud, mess up your clothes, and then send you on your way and tell you, ‘Have a nice day.’ It was no respect for the people within that development, in that ward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=998.0,1030.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: So when it was like officers—I can mention a particular officer name. Blondie, they used to call her. And she used to ride with her partner, they would drive up on people, they would abuse people, slam them on they cars, beat them up, put drugs on them, put you in jail, take your IDs and all kinds of stuff, and stop you from being able to do anything, because now you got a criminal record because they done put something on you. I done seen Blondie, where she would go in different developments, mistreat people and they would catch her off guard and she would get abused. So the crime wasn’t just one sided, the crime was two sided, and it pretty much showed its ugly head whenever it could. So anybody from that neighborhood who know Blondie, the police officer detective, know that she was foul. And these was the kind of officers who pretty much would patrol our community. You had other nationalities—who didn’t care or have any interest in our communities—patrolling us, trying to get us together. It wasn’t really Black faces who was governin’ Black people. It was other nationalities who just happened to probably done took two years of a class in a college, they didn’t have no real people experience, didn’t have any interaction with this community, feeling like that they was probably a ‘Training Day’ scenario. Goin’ around vandalizing and victimizin’ people, because they felt like it was their job. They failed to realize that their job was actually to protect that community, make them people feel safe. You give Officer Friendly—like when I was growing up, we didn’t have that. The programs of D.A.R.E.: don’t use drugs, this is your brain on drugs, you can actually make a difference. Them commercials disappeared in the later years. Cuz guess what? Everybody over there, the majority of people who was coming up, was being exposed to drugs, whether marijuana, cocaine, heroin. Whatever it was, they was trying to get you to either sell it or use it. Cuz you was a product to them. Sellin’ or usin’. Either you’re gonna be a dope fiend or you’re gonna be out here servin’. I didn’t want any of that. Cuz in my mind all of it equated to the same place; death. I didn’t think about you can end up in jail. I didn’t think about you might end up in the hospital. I didn’t see no retirement plan with that. I just saw it as being a hellish road to nowhere. That was my vision. So it decided to make me a different because I decided I wanted something more than just be a victim of somebody stupidity, or foolishness, or dying [ph.] down the street for something that didn’t belong to me. My community, to be honest, was the people that I knew and my internal thoughts of respect. Everybody didn’t live by that creed or that principle. So I treated everybody with respect for the simple fact, I knew that it would make a difference in the long run. But you can’t work a job and not get along with your co-workers or at least act like you can tolerate them. Cuz you come in there acting the fool, they politely show you the door. That’s how everything in life pretty much is, is your perception of how you deal with that issue. It’s only an issue when you see it as an issue. I see solutions sometime within the problem, but people be so bitter and so angry and arguin’ about it that they can’t even focus on the solution, you more focused on the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1030.0,1228.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: This is a great segue to ask my second question—with some follow up, cuz you always give some of this great detailed content, it’s making it very, I guess, easy for people to talk to you. How do you reflect—or how did you reflect or respond to the conditions of livin’ in public housing under so much constraint?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1228.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, I became determined. I wanted something more. It’s like something snapped inside of me to make me want something different. When you watchin’ your best friends for years get murdered, and every other day you hearin’ about a funeral takin’ place, you seein’ Black women cryin’ because they losin’ they future or they prime assets, they kids—it do something to you. It make you want to change your conditions, it makes you want to change the environment. Cuz it hurts when you holdin’ a young Black woman, she’s standin’ over her son cryin’, sayin’ ‘This ain’t my child,’ breakin’ down, not realizin’ that her child gone forever. That coulda been a future politician, that coulda been a lawyer, they coulda been a doctor, coulda been a teacher or educator—gone forever. Because somebody decided in they mind that they wanted to do the work of they God. How can you decide if somebody life got value or worth? That’s what these people was doing, killin’ each other unrelentlessly [sic], tryin’ their best to do what they felt was in they best interest. Why is takin’ my life in your best interest, and how does that enhance your life to see me gone? See my family cryin’ and upset because I’m no longer here. That’s what changed within me. And the conditions that I saw, I hate to say, was deplorable. They wasn’t doin’ maintenance, they wasn’t giving these people the resources they need. These people goin’ without food, no food pantries at the bottom of the building. Only time you actually saw resources was when they had what we used to call ‘choke sandwiches.’ Sandwiches they throw together and then it was only served at elected hours. What do you do for a Black male or a Black woman who goin’ to work, who—all they got is that choke sandwich until they get a check. And you cut it off at a certain time when the kids cryin’ and needin’ food. Food pantries ain’t 24 hours. They don’t have opportunities to be able to get what they need. So you gotta hurry up and gather, like an animal, stock it all up and throw it to the side and pray that it make it to your paycheck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1258.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: So how has your perspective on public housing changed over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1385.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: My perspective on public housing changed as far as, a need for improvement. A need for resources. A need for opportunity. A need for better, sustainable jobs. A need for people to actually see their worth. Cuz some of the greatest people in the world was people who just started to see their worth. That’s like Kanye West. When he was in his accident, if he gave up on himself and he didn’t see his potential and his value, he wouldn’t be worth a billion dollars. But the thing is, his mama saw his worth first. Remember, your experience that you get in this world is often first from your mother, or your father, you would see that they love in the product [ph.] that they give you. You try to make the best out of what you got and somewhere along the way, maybe God step in, show you your talent, your gift and your potential, and he allow you to germinate into somethin’ great. Your worth. You only as strong as your roots, cuz when trees don’t have they roots, if you notice they die. When people don’t have they roots, they search for it and try to figure out: Where did I come from? Why am I here? And what is my purpose? It’s still your family—you germinate from your family, your roots, and your understanding of what you come into. And then God probably give you a kiss on the cheek somewhere in life, bless you with abilities and talents and a gift, and you germinate into the person you’re supposed to be before you leave this planet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1390.0,1474.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: So knowing what you know about current and former public housing, would you ever live in public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1474.0,1484.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: You know what? If I had to go back, and do it all over again, go back down the hall, open up the door, meet all these people again—yeah. I would do it again. But I would probably maybe slightly do it different. I would probably offer these people more opportunities than things that was taken away. Cuz I woulda network with more people, I woulda went downtown more, I woulda probably went past Columbia College, I woulda went past some of these expensive hotels. And I woulda tried to learn they system or structure in the government and how they run they business, and probably try to pass that on to some of the people within the development so they could have probably been businessmen, or actually runnin’ things a little better. I probably would have talked to the maintenance people who took some of the lessons that I’ve learned from some of the richer people or some of the people who’s more fortunate downtown, passin’ it on to them, so they can do better with the conditions within that buildin’, and who knows, maybe them high rises woulda became condos with they experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1484.0,1547.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: So, let’s go back to, I guess, one of my initial questions after—your experience after public housing. If you comfortable—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1547.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: I’m always comfortable, cuz I wouldn’t even took the interview if I didn’t feel comfortable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1562.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Can you tell me a time in which you was experiencing difficulty in makin’ ends meet that subject you to losin’ access to shelter or housin’?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1566.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: You know what, my closest experience was that it actually happened twice. The first time that I ever encountered almost being homeless was with my Mom, when we was unable to pay rent and we pretty much found ourselves with an eviction notice on the door in Riverdale, Illinois. That’s what brought us to Stateway and Robert Taylor, because we wasn’t able to make ends meet. It’s just a helpless feeling, not bein’ able to have things to call your own, not bein’ able to have a place to lay your head, not even be able to do the basic things like grooming [cell phone alert sound] and just dignity. But the second time that I ever encountered almost being homeless, believe it or not, actually I was still working the job that I got now. I was on child support, and I couldn’t really make ends meet. I was paying bills, I was paying car notes, I was doing everything else, but the rent was falling short. And it was no way for me to be able to catch up when I fell too far behind. When I hit the drastic number, the second and a half months when I couldn’t afford, sheriffs knockin’ on the door, bringing you eviction notices, lettin’ you know that you got to go to court. You goin’ to court, not really knowing where you’re gonna end up. And the scary feeling of being in front of a judge, havin’ them decide your future of where you’re gonna stay and how you gonna pay restitution to people and you couldn’t even afford what you had. That was my rough time. Cuz I actually was trying to do the right thing: pay bills, try to put somethin’ towards the rent when I couldn’t afford it. I come to realize in real life, if you don’t got it all, they don’t want none of it. That’s how it is with every opportunity you got, you got to give it your all. All of you, all of your heart, all of your spirit, all of your determination, all of your attention, all of your focus, everything is all. Nobody ever want a piece of a man, nobody ever want a piece of a woman, it’s all. I had to give everything I got, and then when I was in front of the judge, the judge was around Christmas time—which, I have flashbacks cuz that’s around the time that my momma died. So I’m already going through a thing, now I’m in front of a judge, he’s tellin’ me that I only got to the first of the year to be able to get up out of the place that I got, go from there. At this point, I had no money. No real financial means, no resources. I turned to my job, and I started pretty much doing overtime to get this money cuz I didn’t know where I was goin’. I ended up coming up in time with just enough money to be able to get another apartment. After [cell phone alert sound] they done did background checks, after they did credit—check my credit, took me through all of the various things that you need to be able to get an apartment—I still almost didn’t make ends meet. My father saw the apartment that I wanted. He gave me half of the down payment to be able to hold the apartment. I paid him back in increments and went from there but I ended up coming up with the money to get another place. That’s why I live on Cottage Grove now. Cuz life got hard. People don’t realize when you ain’t able to make your ends meet and you don’t know how to make things happen, your resources running scarce, you don’t see on the other side of how things gonna happen. Keep moving forward, keep giving it your all, and believe something gonna happen. Cuz one way or another, you’re gonna be at the end of a decision. Whether it is your decision or a judge’s decision, you’re going to be somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1580.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: So when your father stepped in, what kind of relationship did you have with him from that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1786.0,1796.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Believe it or not, I always had a wonderful relationship with my father. Even though he divorced from my mom when I was at a young age, my father always stayed in my life. I always had contact, was always able to leave the projects and go spend time at his house, but you always knew you had to go back home. My father was a hell of a man. He actually made a difference. He taught me about God, he taught me about church, he bought me clothes, he gave me food, he gave me lessons of what it take to be a man. Told me how to watch my back, he told me how to strive for something more, as well as my momma bein’ in my ear, tellin’ me somethin’ totally different from her version and perspective of what she grew up with. So I just took the best of the advice of what both of them gave me, mixed it to become me, and found my twist on it. But my father was always there. A very lovin’ man, always humble, never opened gifts in front of you. And he was just a Black man who actually cared and gave a damn about his family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1796.0,1858.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: What hopes do you have for those families who once resided in the Robert Taylor Housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1858.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: My hope for these families that endured a lot of the tension of these places is that you took the best out of it, you became strong. You learned how to do things that actually mattered for your family. That you didn’t get strung out, you didn’t get murdered, you didn’t get killed, you didn’t become a statistic, you didn’t end up in prison. I pray that they have success and that they actually made something of themselves and they got families of they own and actually learned how to be secure with a family and have roots.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1869.0,1907.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Is there anything else that you would like to tell or talk about that we didn’t get to talk about in this interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1907.0,1914.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Well, what I want to talk to the people about today. Believin’ in yourself, havin’ talent. If you’ve got a talent or ability, work on it. Work on your craft and make sure that you get everything out of it that you need. Cuz everybody always think that a successful talent is gettin’ paid. Sometime it’s just knowing that you could do it and bein’ better than you was the day before. Money ain’t always the thing that you reach for but that’s the thing that enhance and makes us stronger along the way, bein’ able to help other people. But I think sometimes just the gift of love, a good smile, a kind heart, respect the individuals is the thing that make a difference. And the reason I say that, I like poetry, and I’ll even give you a little bit of it: Every day I wake up and I see a new vision of what could be, \n\nI’m reaching towards the dream that’s calling out to me. \n\nMy heart desires to do something more, but I know not where I’m going because the vision wasn’t always clear. \n\nWakin’ up, seein’ the field in the distance and prayin’ that I was sitting on the green grass wasn’t always the destiny that was before me. \n\nSometime you had to walk through the mud and the sand \n\nto see what was on the other side of the destiny. \n\nSometime they scream out and it was a dream that I envisioned of havin’ somethin’ more. \n\nSometime that wasn’t always the way. \n\nMy feet is trapped in quicksand and I’m pullin’ myself along the way \n\nprayin' that it’d be something on the other side. \n\nBut guess what, it created muscles and made me strong to see \n\nthat the green land that I was in search of or the blessings and the prosperity that flow and givin’ opportunities to be something more \n\nwas just me searching for me. \n\nI look for a deeper meaning and I wanted something more, \n\nI reached for the stars and I longed to be a part of the orbit. \n\nBut then I remember the universe is the individual who opened up their eyes to look in the mirror to believe that they have more potential and gifts and dreams that was inside of themselves to be something more, \n\nIt was me. \n\nI was always in search of a better me. \n\nMy internal God told me that I could be somethin’ more, reach out and make a difference. \n\nBut what do you do when the individual don’t want to reach back?\n\nYou reach harder because the door that might be open for your blessin’s might be on the other side of the stupidity and anger that they throw at you. \n\nIt could have been me. \n\nThis is my message to everybody in public housin’, or any kind of house and are going through any kind of struggle: I know it may look hard, and I know that things may be rough, but it will get easier as you go. It’d be opportunities that come your way. A friend told me just yesterday that you’re always want one interview or one introduction away from the success that you supposed to receive. Cuz guess what, when you go to college, school, job, housin’, whatever you go through they want to see who they really dealin’ with. They want to see the true nature of you or me. They make you fill out an application, they make you tell somethin’ about yourself and they sit you down with a one on one interview, cuz they want to make sure they not bein’ bamboozled or duped, and they gettin’ the real you or me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=1914.0,2110.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: I guess my final question will be: what do you hope your life story being told will have an impact on the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=2110.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: My impact on the world? When they look back on me, I want them to say ‘A strong, successful Black young man who gave his all until he had nothing left.’ I also want them to say, ‘He made a hell of a difference. He was a good guy, he was respectful. He was a cool individual who gave love, no anger.’ I want an individual to say, ‘He strengthened me to be a better individual.’ I want them to say, ‘He was a hell of a dude.’ And I don’t want them to just see me as just one type of individual, but I want them to see me as being lived. I want to know that I lived my life to the fullest, I want to know that I actually changed the world for the better. And I want to know that I sparked at least one mind to change the world and stop some of this senseless violence that we doin’ to each other, and actually learn our worth. I want to be looked at as a sea of hope. I want to be looked at as a determined individual who went towards his destiny and gave his all whether he failed or succeed, and know that I made a difference in the heart of not only myself, my family, and my community, that it reached out long to other sides of the world and changed them as well. So, make my life a two step. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=2124.0,2202.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gaston: Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to share this space with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=2202.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turner: Anytime Troy. I’m always available. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=2205.0,2209.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"END OF INTERVIEW","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082#t=2209.0,2217.864"}]},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/137694/file/299082/transcript/93196/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/093/196/original/Turner__L_Interview_2_Transcript_Edited_2022.07.30.docx?1777323508","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/093/196/original/Turner__L_Interview_2_Transcript_Edited_2022.07.30.docx?1777323508"}]}]}]}