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This interview was conducted in one session on December 28th, 2024 and is in the Oral History Archive of The National Public Housing Museum. Readers should keep in mind that they are reading a transcript of the spoken word, rather than written prose. This transcript captures, to the best of the creator’s ability, the words of the person being interviewed and the interviewer. Readers are encouraged to refer directly to the original audio if possible. The narrator has reviewed and approved this transcript. Readers should also bear in mind that the beliefs, opinions, and/or any offensive language expressed by the Narrator do not represent The National Public Housing Museum.\n\n\nNarrator: Christopher Bell (he/him; Birth Year: 1963)\n\nInterviewer: Tatiana Bryant (she/her)\n\nInterview Dates: 12/28/2024\n\nDuration:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=0.0,2745.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interview Begins\n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=2745.0,3603.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Tatianna Bryant. I'm interviewing today Chris Bell for the National Public Housing Museum. Today is December 28th, 2024. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3603.0,3619.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Chris Bell. When you were born in 1963, lived in Edgemere projects from spring of 1966 to the spring of 1986. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3619.0,3641.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When and how did you come to live in public housing? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3641.0,3646.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was three. My parents moved in. I don't know the back story. I know that they are considered a house and whatever transpired, transpired. And we ended up in Edgemere housing in Queens. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3646.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did your family have other family members that lived in the area or friends? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3666.0,3671.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, not until. I'm going to say 6 or 7 years later, one of my cousins moved to an adjacent project, but when we moved out, there was just us. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3671.0,3685.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did your parents come to be in Queens? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3685.0,3688.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother came up from North Carolina after graduating high school and. 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He was a truck driver and my mother worked at the bullet watch factory in Queens for me. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3710.0,3730.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell me about the people that lives in your home and your relationship to them? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3730.0,3735.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oldest sister, My six years and mother and father. That was it. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3735.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were your relationships like with your parents and your sister? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3750.0,3755.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I was the youngest, so I was the bane of my sister's existence and. My mother and father had a. Functional relationship. My father was a functioning alcoholic. So all the things that came with that. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3755.0,3783.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you describe what your apartment look like? The colors, the sounds, The smell of. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3783.0,3791.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had two apartments and adjoining the first apartment. I don't really remember that much. The second apartment I remember clearly. I was there the longest. Three bedroom there. You know, kitchen. My mother did a lot of interior design. You know, I just remember the pinkish wallpaper. And a white couch with a olive trim. We had a kitchen table that had like bamboo on the edge and it was yellow and black wallpaper. There was a lot happening, you know. My room was just basic, you know, painted walls. All the other rooms were kind of basic. 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You know, I I'm guessing it kind of went from New York Avenue to a New York Avenue about that big and buildings on the perimeter all the same. But then they had sets of buildings that went down the middle. They called them double buildings and they were only nine floors with a connecting terrace between them. And we ended up moving into one of those buildings. That was the second place where we lived at. But I'm pretty nondescript, you know, run of the mill New York City housing building. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3858.0,3912.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when you were younger, were the buildings newer or were they already there for a while? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3912.0,3918.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe they were newer. I'm guessing somewhere around 1960. They weren't they weren't ten years old when we first moved in, but it was still relatively new when we got there. Yeah, I'm thinking somewhere around 1961. 20. The. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3918.0,3945.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell me what the neighborhood looked like at the time? Was that the only public housing around or was there more? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=3945.0,3950.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was another smaller public housing across the street, literally all burned houses. That was a little older. There was one. About 15 blocks down. I don't know what the official name was. We called it 40 projects. There was another one. About 40 blocks down. That was Hamill's project. And if you went into downtown Rockaway, it was warm outside of downtown for Rockaway. Redfern projects. So. There was a lot. And it was that Billie Holiday was called Manor, which was a just a two building, you know, project. But it was two buildings and it was a. 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It was all grand projects. And then there was a co-op next to all of our projects. There was no private houses. None. And at that time, Rockaway was very. Sparse. The whole beach area was vacant. I mean, nothing. I mean large tracts of land where there was just nothing. And, well, Edgemere Projects is probably one of the narrowest sections of Rockaway. I could go walk out my door, go to the right, and ten minutes. I'm at Jamaica Bay. I go 15 minutes down the block. I'm at the Atlantic Ocean. I'm at the beach. And now when you started moving either way up or down on Rockaway, you start seeing private houses and then like 40 projects between us and 40 projects, there was private housing, and then you had 40 projects, and then you had some more private houses. 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United Nations just pick an ethnicity. It was there and. By the time he moved to the second apartment six years later in 72, in a chain, it was mostly black and Latino. Almost exclusively. And that was for Edgemere. That was for Auburn. That was for Hamlet. Also 40 projects. Did that change that quick? Maybe it was changing when we first got there, but yeah, it changed. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4109.0,4148.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what about the neighborhood? Around. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4148.0,4150.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Same thing. Same thing. There was there was a dividing line, a clear and distinct dividing line in Rockaway, which was 116th Street. It started to transition. After Hamill's projects started to transition between. A combination of black, white, Latino, and then by the time you got to 116th Street was only. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4150.0,4181.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So growing up and going to different schools, like what were the demographics of the students who were in school? 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Growing up in the project, did you have any sense of where you were, where you were living with different from other places or other people? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4266.0,4281.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, really, it was, you know, you just had people you had your friends. And the way it was set up, there was a park in between my building and the next building. When we first moved in, that was the meeting ground that was, you know, I had. There was a family on each floor. That was your sanctuary. If you didn't, if you didn't go home, you was somewhere on somebody's house. And that's just the way it was when I when we first moved out there. So. You know, when one person had to go and, you know, pretty soon you have to go insane cause that's what it was. And if you did something wrong. If your parent didn't see it, they was going to find out about it. One of the other parents told her. So it was to me, it was cool. It was cool. You know, it was never a time when I had to search out someone, but that's what I chose to do. You know, the park was, you know, we played baseball, we played tag that had monkey bars. And we said, you know, there was the game's on the ground scouting and hopscotch and all of that. 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But I never really, you know, by the time I left in 86. The elements were winning. But at that time during the junior high school years. Yeah. Yeah. You knew that. You know, there was some people, you know, stay away from them, but overall, you know. You could still go outside. It was no problem. 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And my father stayed until we passed. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4429.0,4438.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you ever go back and visit after 86? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4438.0,4441.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A few times. But I haven't been back. Wow. The 90s. At best. You know, I went back a friend of one of my good friends, his mother had us come back and speak to the kids. And I'm thinking that was like in the 90s because these are all, you know, grown and. I think that was probably the last time I was there. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4441.0,4478.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you keep in touch with anyone that that you knew from growing up there? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4478.0,4483.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, you know, they're all up there. That's my base. You know, we. Since. The ones that I. When I was younger. No, we lost touch, although we kept in contact for many, many years and lost touch, I would say, over the past 20 years or so. I still have one friend that I'm in contact with that I'm know from the projects, from man with a lot of my friends were among all the other projects and we're still tight. Those are my peeps. And. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4483.0,4529.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you mention that when you were younger, you didn't sense any difference. What about when you started being bussed to schools? 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Not notice people were different. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4546.0,4580.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So how how are they different? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4580.0,4582.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there was. You became very conscious of your skin color. You know, before my interactions with people with just, you know, you are what you are. Don't be an idiot. And we're cool. 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You had people from my side of Rockaway, people from the other side of Rockaway. You had. Across the bay was a. Part of Queens Court. Broad Channel. That was where. The poor white people that day. And over the bridge from that was Howard Beach. No explanation necessary. And. You had this convergence. So people organically stayed around people from their area more than anything else would whatever the the composition of your crew was. That's what it was. It wasn't necessarily. Based on color. But because of the area's color play, the fact that there was more black people on one side of Rockaway than on the other. So all of us coming. But it wasn't like, I'm just going to hang out with, you know, black people or whatever, whatever. It was just that. People from other parts of Rockaway were funky, so. You know, I didn't want to be around them. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4616.0,4707.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when you were outside of school going into downtown or other parts. Trying to go to stores or things like that. Did you have a sense of. Did you perceive like any kind of difference when you were going around, like about like your life in that way? So where did. People have an idea of where you were coming from and. I don't. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4707.0,4742.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Know. Well, I didn't. Downtown Rockaway. It was, you know, like any other place. That's where we shopped at the family shop. Then we went grocery shopping. It was what it was. I didn't go to other places that I knew wasn't local. 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You knew not, you know. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4765.0,4768.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did your parents tell you or. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4768.0,4771.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, they knew anyone that you hung out with who was older than you? They knew. You know. You know, when even when I was old and I was driving, you know, you had to decide which way am I going to go? Am I going to go the way to grow a channel and our beach to get to Manhattan? Or I'm a go around and go through a little bit of Long Island to get on the highway, as you knew. And if you were going through that section, you made certain you had gas, spare tire and a jet because you didn't want to get stuck there and. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4771.0,4804.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you mentioned you were driving. So when did you start driving? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4804.0,4808.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was 12. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4808.0,4810.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With your dad? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4810.0,4810.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. But it was like I said, it was enough. There was nothing out there, so I couldn't hit anything. The parking lot from back in the day when the beach was there, you know, there was large parking lots there. So that's where I learned to drive in those areas. And then the project was so big it had a back, you know, back road. So, you know, I would drive around there, go into a parking lot, turn around, drive back. You know, so that's how I learned how to draw. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4810.0,4838.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did a lot of people have cars that lived in your area? Okay. So pretty much everyone had a car that lived in the project. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4838.0,4845.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I won't say everyone. That was a lark. No, not a car. Lot of cars. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4845.0,4851.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you spend a lot of time at the beach? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4851.0,4854.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not really. The boardwalk? Yes. I used to ride my bike on the boardwalk regularly. Me and my friend used to. Actually, you know, go down to 116th Street on the boardwalk. That because that was kind of a safe haven, if you will. At least that's how we took it. And. Sometimes go the other way, go the boardwalk all the way down into Parkway and, you know, right there. But going to the beach for to be so close to the beach, it was rare. That we would go to the beach in wasn't exactly the cleanest. The water wasn't. Appealing. And most of the people that went to the beach, they went to his speech, which was. Too far the bike ride for us to do on a regular basis. And once you drove in, parking was an issue. So it was rare that we went down there. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4854.0,4914.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you ever go into the into Manhattan often, or did you? Yeah. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4914.0,4918.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Always My love for subway trains kicked in and I was riding the train from like I was 12. 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He was all out of the neighborhood and it was just a place of wonder. You know, more people, more thing. And, you know, never felt unsafe. I was aware of the areas that, you know, you need to watch it back to, you know, 42nd Street and what have you. But on. So that's always been kind of adventurous. So I always know how to handle myself. 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New construction or new anything, particularly in my section. Maybe further down there with things going on past 116th Street. I can't think of one thing that was built. And the 20 years I was there. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=4978.0,5008.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If something was broken or you needed something new. And did you call housing to come and fix it? 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You know, I went in a few times and realized that this was not some place I ever want to be and just never went back. But all the other places I used to my my first summer job was with housing and I was doing maintenance and grounds keeping for 40 projects. About the same. Not really different. You know that a lot of friends in animals projects. I the same? Not much different. I think Hamels was older, but pretty much the same. And and I have friends in Auburn, a few friends in Auburn, which was across the street that was older. 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What was that like? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5195.0,5197.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just a presence. You know when. As I got. During my high school years, you could see. You know, more cop cars in the area. Whereas prior. You know, And that was kind of like, okay, you knew something different was happening. But by the same token, it didn't necessarily affect me. You know, I wasn't. You know, running from gangs or anything like that. You just knew that, okay? That we wouldn't be here if they did. And at least in their mind, they didn't sense that there was something that needed to happen. So yeah, there was definitely a greater police presence over time. By the time I left, that was like the very tip. Of the crack era. So, yeah, it was it was getting. 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It wasn't uncommon coming home from school. And my college is in Manhattan that we get pulled off the train at Howard Beach because there was something someone allegedly had something happen and it was a black person. So that was it got to a point. You know, you were around the same people all the time. Well, we got a couple of stops from Howard Beach. Everyone organically just started packing their bags, getting everything ready, and we just sit and wait. And if we didn't get pulled off, we'd be like, okay, that's gonna be a big day. That's how often that. And it's like the cop would come in and we would just get up and go. And after a while, they realized that we were kind of on to what they was doing. And it started to die down after that. But it was like everyone just was like, okay, it's just Tuesday, so let's get this over with. They're going, I ask some question. You you answer or you don't answer. Whatever, whatever. And then, you know, a couple of trains go by and then they let you all let you know like I. It is what it is. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5270.0,5350.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where did you go to college? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5350.0,5352.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New York Institute of Technology. Okay. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5352.0,5357.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was it like going to school there? And did you have a sense that the other students who were in college with you were coming from the same kinds of neighborhoods, same kind of situations, or was it the United Nations? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5357.0,5376.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, you you name it, it was there. So. You know, there was you know, there was definitely people that, you know, came from other project areas in the city and, you know, from tenements. And there was people come from foreign countries, you know, where things weren't great, but it was just the United Nation, you know, that you got along with people and you did. I didn't even know I didn't really notice factions or anything like that. You know, the most of the factions was based on what you were studying, you know. You know, architects, Homewood architects, engineers. Homegrown engineers. The creative side of a creative. So that's what it was more about. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5376.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you mentioned that there was Far Rockaway and then there was Howard Beach, and then there was a neighborhood in between of poor white people or channel. What kind of housing was there? It was a tenements. Was it? 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Mostly private. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5446.0,5448.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Private? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5448.0,5448.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. You know, there was only one road. In and out. And most of the viewers, I guess, heading towards Rockaway. I noticed most of the housing was to the right, some to the left, but most of it was, you know, but I've never I can't tell you I ever turned off the road to take me back to Rockaway. You know, the objective was to get through as quickly as possible and preferably don't go through there at night. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5448.0,5482.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These, you know, people personally who have been stopped or arrested or killed or. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5482.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I know a few people that are. Had issues. It wasn't with the cops. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5490.0,5500.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did they then? They survived it. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5500.0,5503.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. They lived to tell the story. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5503.0,5508.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That the area gentrified over time from the 60s to the 80s. So. Far Rockaway. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5508.0,5519.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Broad Channel and our beach. I couldn't tell you. I know. Well, I know I have a friend now, actually, a woman who works for me. Lives out in Rockaway now. And I've had other people tell me how much it has changed. So all those all those strips of land that was vacant without their. They've developed it. So there's, you know, stores, private houses and so on and so forth. And I haven't been out there. I don't know how long. And I don't know if it's been gentrified as much as it's just been developed. No, my I know my project where I live, they did something where it's called something different now. I don't know how much of the New York City housing is running. How much of it has been taken over by a developer or whatever. But there's been some change. Again, I have not been out there in Central New. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5519.0,5586.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you share one of your favorite or most vivid memories of living in public housing? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5586.0,5595.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I played. I played baseball. From 8 to 14 in a league called the New Boys Club. And adjacent to the project. It was a massive park and Avenue Avenue. It was literally brought up against Jamaica Bay, and that's where we used to play way out there. So, you know, that's where a lot of my memories are. And now was the first time. I got to hear a deejay. Because at my house where the apartment was the closest street, it was as big area where the flagpole was and they tapped into the electricity. And that's the first time I saw somebody putting their sat through all of that. And from that point forward, that pretty much was pivotal for me cause I've been since two. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5595.0,5663.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's growing up. Did you feel that people. Have like, pride and where they lived. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5663.0,5672.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the pride was there and it got kind of beaten out of a lot of people because, you know, the people you started with, people gradually moved out. And the people that came in didn't have that same sense. So. But in the beginning it was definitely a pride thing. I mean, even as kids, you know, during the summertime, we'd always have like baseball games against Hamels and baseball games against 40 project, you know. So there was a pride to it. And like I said, over time. You know, just kind of got beaten out of people and it just became. Let me make certain that I keep my space. You know, together. And less about. Let's try to keep the building together. That's right. It went from, you know, let's keep the project, you know, a certain way to let's keep the building a certain way to let's keep the floor a certain way to let me just make certain in my spaces to get. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5672.0,5739.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the new people who were moving in, did you have a sense of. Where they were coming from, or did you have a sense that. They just weren't. As focused on building community. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5739.0,5755.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Daddy a lot. Just didn't care. Know. And like if. If you do read up the whole way. You know, when I was going to pick it up. And. Others don't year the mentality, well, this is not how we look at it is like, okay, we live here. This is my. And that gradually changed. You know, there was you know, there was no pissing in the hole in the staircase and all of that. When we were growing up. And then it's like, do why would you do that? Well, I don't know. You think, Mom? Okay. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5755.0,5807.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But would you say that? Some people's disinvestment kind of mirrored the disinvestment overall in public housing over time. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5807.0,5819.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really knew mine, you know, And. You know, we are visiting. It was kind of the same mentality. And again, and over time, it started, you know, as people left. You know, I think right now, only none of my people are still there. What it is. And if you're the only one fighting after one but four games in. You go somewhere else? I couldn't tell you about other projects because, you know, any place that I went. You know, you're in and you're out. You know, you're not spending any extensive telling me. So I don't know, you know, how they felt or anything like that. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5819.0,5881.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What advice or directives would you give to housing authorities and other institutions of power regarding how to support public housing residents? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5881.0,5894.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do your job. Who among us would? Do what you're mandated to do. And one thing I have noticed, even, you know, living in a private. You keep it together. Other people will keep this together. When you don't take care of it. Other people tend not to take care of the kids like watching a ball. Somebody has to set the precedent and it should be New York City, have whatever they have, whatever the housing authority is, it should be they should be serving the press and making people feel like, okay, no, I need to do my part because they're doing their part. So it has to start from there. And when they stop. Doing their job, they stopped caring. And, you know, the people that are on the fringes, you know, some people are going to take care. Some people are not. And then there's. But the vast majority are of in the middle and will go wherever way the wind kind of blows. Those people, if they see that it's being taken care of, they don't want to be the ones that don't want to be that guy, you know, and have to start from the top. You know, the fact that some one person does, it's like, that's just Mr. Johnson, you know, that's what he do. But if the people that are in charge of, you know, making certain that things work and so on and so forth and doing their job. I think it starts from there. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5894.0,5996.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So living in Far Rockaway, where you were there ever any. Environmental impacts. So I'm thinking things like some natural disasters, storms, anything like that, that that ever impacts. Your area. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=5996.0,6016.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was there, the main thing was it was. Coal noticeably colder than anyplace in other places you go. Because we sandwich by one, we tend to get more snow than other places. So that was an effect noise. Because one of the flight patterns to Kennedy Airport flew. So that was an issue. And in high school. It was the Concorde taking off. We knew every day at 1230 ish. You get the sonic boom to the point where I used to work for. The agency that repairs all the schools and had a multimillion dollar project to repair the facade at Mile High School because someone didn't take into account the effect of salt water is literally the high school you could go to back in high school was about the width of the driveway and it was Jamaica Bay. And then there was the effects of the sonic boom and noise. And they had to account for that because don't stop. When you heard the engine roar, everything stopped. You couldn't do anything. So it was mainly noise, not necessarily environmental. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6016.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do you think public housing is portrayed in the media, though, on TV and the news in movies and music? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6120.0,6131.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was never portrayed well. And it's generally portrayed as a cesspool. When? God's. Talk about it. They generally will talk about the bad things or the bad things mainly. And whenever it's portrayed in any type of dramatic work, it's, you know, it's training day. It's, you know, the worst of the worst. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6131.0,6165.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you want people to know about what it's like living in public housing that you think they don't know or would be surprised to learn? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6165.0,6173.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There can be a sense of community. And a strong sense of community for people got along. So I can't speak to that. I don't know what's going on there now. Isn't anyone there, so I don't know. I just know from what I grew up. I know that it is possible. And, you know, everywhere I've lived that, you know. I've never lived in a upscale neighborhood. But you can always have that sense of community of people that care. So. You know, it's it's a it can be any wrong. It can be a cesspool. You know, I. I've seen some places where, you know, I did the census in 2000. For us to enumerate. One project we had to call in the Federal Police. To escort the workers around. You know. But, you know, then you have other places where, you know, people just trying to get by. And, you know, life is just, you know, kind of mundane. So they just happen to live in a public housing place. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6173.0,6257.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think that there should be more public housing? Do you think that there should be more support for it? \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6257.0,6271.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. With the caveat of how they built. When you step on top of each other. Density weighs a lot on people's behavior. You know when you have. A small swatch of area and too many people on it. It's a recipe for bad things happen. And the way that they're constructed. A lot of people in New York City, particularly in Manhattan and in the Bronx. It was a lot of vertical miss about these 20 some odd floors, multiple buildings like that of a small swatch of land. That's not going to work out well. So, yes, if you're going to do it. You know. Space is critical. And yeah, then you get it. Then you have a better opportunity for things to kind of work well. But if you're going to stack people. Don't do that. \n\nTatiana Bryant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6271.0,6344.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much. \n\nChris Bell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6344.0,6345.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380#t=6345.0,2750.56"}]},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/170488/file/309380/transcript/94184/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/094/184/original/Bell__Christopher_Interview_Transcript_2024.12.28.docx?1779996417","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/094/184/original/Bell__Christopher_Interview_Transcript_2024.12.28.docx?1779996417"}]}]}]}