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Urban Renewal \u0026amp; Gentrification)","Family","Religion and/or Spirituality","Poverty"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keywords"]},"value":{"en":["neighborhood","\"the projects\"","shame","guilt","fighting","birth","Judaism","parents"]}},{"label":{"en":["Decades Covered"]},"value":{"en":["1940s","1950s"]}},{"label":{"en":["Life Dates"]},"value":{"en":["1943 (Birth)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Race/Ethnicity"]},"value":{"en":["White"]}},{"label":{"en":["Additional Identities"]},"value":{"en":["Jewish"]}},{"label":{"en":["Biographical Context"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eI was born and raised in the projects in Chicago, and I now live on the Near North side of the city in a condominium that I own. I retired from a career with the federal government. In retirement, I have been very fortunate to be involved with the great Theatre scene that we have here,  and I have also been an architecture tour guide. I am passionate about the arts. Theatre, dance, architecture, Fine Art, add a great deal of pleasure to my life. I am also a foodie and enjoy good food and, occasionally, some nice wine. I’ve also been lucky enough to have traveled extensively to many parts of the world. My volunteer activity, which continues to this day, involves Chicago’s Theatre scene, and acting as a Greeter for visitors to Chicago.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interview materials available"]},"value":{"en":["Audio—.wav","Audio—.mp3","Transcript—in Aviary time-sync","Index (in Aviary time-sync)","Transcript—polished PDF","Finding aid—rough PDF"]}},{"label":{"en":["Oral Historians"]},"value":{"en":["Francesco De Salvatore (Interviewer)","cosmo (Post-Production by)","Hannah Barg (Post-Production by)","Sharon Lanza (Post-Production by)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interview Date"]},"value":{"en":["2017-11-09 (Recorded)","2024-09-05 (finding aid last updated)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Method of Interview"]},"value":{"en":["in-person"]}},{"label":{"en":["Recording Location(s)"]},"value":{"en":["Chicago (Both)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Audio Quality Notes"]},"value":{"en":["The interviewer’s audio is not as loud as the narrator’s."]}},{"label":{"en":["Additional Notes"]},"value":{"en":["Allen has an additional interview—a joint conversation with another resident of ABLA—in the archive. See"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eEach oral history interview is considered to be co-created, ‘joint work’ among the oral historian, narrator, and, in this case, the National Public Housing Museum.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eNPHM manages the components of copyright (reproduction, distribution, adaption, performance, and display) using Creative Commons Licenses. Most interviews are shared with Attribution and Non-Commercial 4.0 International licenses (CC BY-NC 4.0 Deed), meaning that they can be reproduced, distributed, performed, and displayed for the general public IF the user:\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cstrong\u003eCredits\u003c/strong\u003e the co-creators (Attribution), and\r\n\u003cstrong\u003eDoes not make money\u003c/strong\u003e from the usage (Non-Commercial). \r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eNarrators also have the option to apply a No-Derivatives License to their interview(s), meaning that the public is forbidden from adapting the work. 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This interview was conducted in one session on November 9, 2017, and is part of The National Public Housing Museum’s Oral History Archive. Readers should keep in mind they are reading a transcript of the spoken word, rather than written prose and are encouraged to refer directly to the original audio when possible. The following transcript was created by Cosmo J.. The narrator is in the process of reviewing this transcript. Readers should also bear in mind that the beliefs, opinions, and/or any offensive language expressed by the Narrator do not represent The National Public Housing Museum.\n\n\n[Begin Transcript: 0:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=0.0,3.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Schwartz: Okay, what—my name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=3.0,5.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francesco De Salvatore: Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=5.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Allen Schwartz. I'm 74. Today is November 9, 2017, and we're here in Chicago, Illinois. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=6.0,15.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Cool. So yeah. Thanks for being here, Allen. I was curious, could you maybe tell me where you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=15.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: So I was born in Chicago and we—my family, parents were already living at the Jane Addams projects. So I was born and went right to the Jane Addams projects, in May of 1943.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=24.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Could you maybe talk about your parents a little bit, kind of their backstory and who they were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=43.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I'm Jewish—we’re Jewish—and back in 1943, the projects there, Jane Addams, uh, we weren't the only Jewish people. There were quite a number of Jewish people who lived there. So, so my father was a shoemaker and my mother was a housewife and then, also, she worked with him. Later, he started adding shoes as part of the shoe repair shop and eventually became more a shoe store than a shoe—it became a shoe store. So my mother worked with—with him in the store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=47.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Where—where was the shoe store? Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=85.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: The shoe store was on the west side around, Kedzie and Roosevelt. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=88.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Okay, okay. It's not—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=94.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Lawndale. The Lawndale neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=95.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=98.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: A few miles west of the projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=99.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Cool. Um, were your parents born in Chicago?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=101.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, both my parents were born in Chicago. Their parents were from—were immigrants. You know, my grandparents were all from from Europe, but both my mother and my father were born in Chicago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=106.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Oh okay, cool. So, yeah, maybe talk about what—I'm curious, like, what brought your parents to Jane Addams Homes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=122.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, as I understand that, you know, that was during the war and after the depression. So, you know, there was a shortage of housing—affordable housing—and, you know, Chicago was, I think, you know, what was much—it was a million more people then and growing, I think, more. So there was a real housing shortage and the projects was a place that people could get decent housing at an affordable price and, you know. So, I guess that's why they went there. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=129.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. Do you remember how much it—how much it cost?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=162.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: No, I don't—except I know, it was very little. Very little. Yeah. I mean, at least I thought, I think it was very little. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=166.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Okay. Cool. Yeah so maybe—let's get into maybe kind of your early childhood days, you know, maybe your first memories? I'm curious sort of—yeah, like what were your maybe your—What are your first memories growing up at Jane Addams Homes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=176.0,195.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, um—oh, let's see. [pause] So—my first memories, you know, probably go back to maybe when I was about three or four. I remember that, uh, for some reason, I wanted to go to school, um, when I was four and my mother took me over to Lil, which was just across the street and I registered. We lied about my age. [laughs] But! After, I didn't know, it was a week or two or whatever, a neighbor tattletaled that I was not five and so they made me leave and come back the next year. Yeah, so I think that's the only time in my life I wanted to go to school. I mean, you know, [laughs] later I wish I didn't have to go to school. But yeah, so—so that's one of my earliest memories and, you know—and then back then the projects, Jane Addams, anyway, was, um—you know, as I mentioned, we weren't the only Jewish family. There were quite a number and it was mostly white. There were African Americans, but the majority of the people were white. And seems like it was mostly families more or less with, you know, a whole family—not completely but, a lot. And we had an Aunt who lived in—a couple of doors over. She also had an apartment in the projects and we had some nice neighbors, and we only lived in a one bedroom apartment. I had an older sister. She's four and a half years older. So, we just had one bedroom. I don't know if that was typical for a family of four. I don't think it was but, I don't—we only had one bedroom. And so my sister and I slept in the living room and then my parents had the bedroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=195.0,333.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=333.0,335.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Oh, that's all I knew. You know? So it seemed okay. You know? Yeah, and we lived there for a long time and, you know, till 1954. I was 11 and a half when we moved. So you know, it's time for a larger place and a better neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=335.0,362.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I’m curious, could you describe this one bedroom? Like, what? What, what—what were the color of the walls of this place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=362.0,370.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I remember the floor. In my memory, the floor was the squares—not linoleum, but some kind of a tile—and I remember it as being dark, like a dark gray. You walked in, there's a hall and to the right was the kitchen, straight ahead was the living room, to the left was another little tiny hall that led to the bathroom and then the bedroom. I remember, you know, very clearly and we were in the courtyard over there, and on the first floor, so you know, it seemed okay. It seemed okay. And right around the corner was the Garden Theater. I don't know if any, you know, anybody else has talked about the Garden, but, you know, the Garden was little local neighborhood theater and that was on Taylor and Racine, right on the corner of Taylor and Racine. We were just on Lytle and Racine. So, you know, my sister and I, or myself, or sometimes maybe the whole family would go to the Lidl at least once a week, people did in those days, went to the movie—the theater. And the neighborhood was—so the projects was there, and then it was surrounded by this Italian neighborhood, you know, not like it is today. It was—it was a working class, tough neighborhood, very tough neighborhood, and there was a real divide between the people who lived in the projects, and, and the people who didn't. And so the people who didn't live in the projects were, you know, primarily Italian, and the shops were Italian. And there was a stigma about living in the projects, in terms of like, the, the Italian community and—and it was tough. It was—it was a—it was a tough neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=370.0,514.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, that's kind of—yeah, maybe since we're kind of talking about these kinds of divisions that existed—and tensions, there's—digging a little deeper. I'm curious. How did—you say it was tough. What do you mean by that? Like, what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=514.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Oh, you know, I was never a tough kid, tough guy. I'm still not—never was. I never was a fighter but, you know, and it just, you know, the kids were tough and—and we were Jewish and in those days, anti semitism was pervasive across Chicago, and very much in that neighborhood. And so, you know, you were perceived, first of all, as someone from the projects and then you might be perceived, as I sometimes was, as being Jewish, and you'd be called dirty Jew, you know? Left and right. You know, but that was that was cross Chicago and across America. You know, that's something that has changed but anti semitism was pervasive. Yeah, in that neighborhood. So yeah, it would be, you know—so yeah, you'd go outside, “dirty Jew,” and—and then me being this not very tough guy was frequently called a sissy. So I didn't like the neighborhood. Did not like it. My sister did much better there than I did. She was four and a half years older. So the neighborhood was always a little bit better for her, especially by the time we moved out but—and she was always tougher than than I—but yeah, I mean, I regularly had to deal with being called, you know, dirty Jew and sissy. So I didn't like that neighborhood. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=532.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. Who—I mean—Who were the kids that were telling you these things? Were they Italian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=640.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: I think it was mostly the Italians. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=646.0,653.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Was there—was there anything else that happened other than the name calling? Were there fights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=653.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: There were fights, but I was not a fighter, I managed to avoid them. I don't, you know, I managed to avoid them. And one of the interesting things was that—I don't remember whether it was in kindergarten, or in first grade—but I got this, this body guard. This, this young, this kid in my class, ____, actually an African American, he was a big guy. I picture him as being six feet in first grade. Of course, he wasn't, but he was tall, he was bigger than everybody else. And for some reason, he decided to become my bodyguard. I didn't ask him to, and I'm not even exactly sure how it happened, but he decided to become my friend and my bodyguard. So for a while, I felt protected by ____ and I often wonder, you know, whatever happened to ____? You know, now I'm 74 and he's about the—would be about the same age. So, you know, hopefully, he's still living and he had a decent life. But you know, when I was younger, I would periodically think about him and I would wonder, you know, Is he okay? Where is he? What was his life like? And yeah—but yeah, somehow he decided to be my bodyguard. And that was good. That helped. Yeah, it did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=657.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Are there situations? Where he did like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=734.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, yeah I can't remember the details. But he did. He—he protected me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=736.0,743.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. Yeah. What? Would he just tell people off? Or would he fight them? Yeah. Both? That's awesome. Yeah, it was only in first grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=743.0,753.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Because, um, you know, my mother-I mentioned that my father-the shoe repair store became more and more shoe, a shoe store- shoe, shoe shop-and my mother started working more with him at the shoe store. And so I transferred to a school near the shoe store because my mother was there and nobody was home. So I went to school by the shoe store, but then—then she would, then she maybe start being at home more. So I transferred back and forth. Like I think five times. I went to Riis, Lawson was a school I transferred to, then I transferred back to Riis. Then I transferred back to Lawson, and then I think I transferred back to Riis one more time before we moved. I think, so, yeah. So in one of those transfers, I lost track of ____.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=753.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: That's a cool story. But sweet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=807.0,809.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, it is. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=809.0,814.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, yes. Can you maybe describe your neighbors and or people in in around you in Jane Addams?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=814.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, we—we were friends with them, but they were mostly, like, women. There was one family, the Johnsons. They lived in the same entryway we did. They were on the second floor and we—my mother was friendly with them. Our families were friendly. They were very nice and Mr. Johnson was just a nice man. Before I started school, I used to—there was a window in the kitchen overlooking the courtyard, and sometimes I would sit there and I would know when he was going to be leaving and I would always wave to him in the morning when he left. And he was always—he would always look up to see if I would be there to wave to him and he would wave back. So that was a nice thing and his kids were nice. I was friendly with with both his kids. He had a little bit older boy and a little bit younger boy and we—so our families were friendly. Then it seems like most—a lot of the other people in our entryway were women. There was a Greek family on the third floor. The woman was just this magnificent cook, who made the most fabulous cookies. So my mother would go up there often in the mornings and have coffee with her and so, I'd go up with her and I’d eat all of these cookies that she had made and they were good, and, um, in the next entry was a Jewish family that we were friendly with, the Goodmans. And I was friendly with Rhoda Goodman, their daughter, she was my age. Yeah, so there were some of the nearby neighbors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=822.0,922.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: And so it sounded like it was pretty diverse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=922.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Oh, yes. Very diverse. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=925.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Did you—did you feel—you find yourself maybe befriending Jewish families more than others? Or was it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=930.0,940.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Uh, you know, I tended to just sort of stick, like, right in our entryway in the adjacent entryways for the most part, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=940.0,959.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I'm curious were there other events that happened—you mentioned that interaction with you, calling you sissy—but were there other things that you saw, maybe you were kind of an outsider's watching, like sort of tensions between other neighbors in the public housing and, you know, folks who weren't in public housing? Were there other events, situations that you—that kind of have stuck with you, like any fights or name calling or anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=959.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Not specific events, but it it went on? It went on, I mean, it was, you know, part of the day to day existence in there and the sort of tension between the projects and the not projects—the Italian neighborhoods. I remember, you know, we shop there, there was a grocery store on Racine, you know, those days there's weren't—there weren't supermarkets or anyway, not so many. And it was all little shops, and my mother would frequently send me across Racine to this little grocery store and all the businesses were owned by Italians. And, you know, in some of them, I—I was treated very nicely and then in others, you could feel a little more tension and more feeling like, “Oh, he's from the projects.” But yeah, you know, we, we did all of our grocery shopping there and bakery and, you know, drugstore and all those things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=986.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: What—I mean, were there areas around there that you felt like you just couldn't go to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1056.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, there—there were areas like, I can't remember now exactly where the demarcations were but yeah, there were areas that were even less friendly. You know? Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1060.0,1070.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: And what was it, like, by streets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1070.0,1073.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, by streets. I think that there was a section North of Taylor Street that was a little less friendly, I think. And then the areas south of Roosevelt Road was already more much more African American and so you tended not to cross that boundary of Roosevelt Road. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1073.0,1105.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: So do you feel like you—you kind of existed between Taylor and Roosevelt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1105.0,1111.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yes, between Taylor—Absolutely. Between Taylor and Roosevelt and between—a few blocks East of Racine, and a couple blocks West of Racine. So from maybe, you know—maybe from around nine or 1000 West—nowadays, people don't use the numbers in Chicago, but back then everybody used the numbers. [laughs] So I don't know if it means anything to you, but you know, from around nine or 1000 West—I forget the names of those streets—Morgan, I think is 1000 West. From around Morgan to, just a block or two past Racine, to 13 or 1400 West, and then from Roosevelt to Taylor. So, it was a small area, but it was big enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1111.0,1161.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. It's interesting, like if you lived in a place that was super diverse, something that was really positive. And then you also, kind of in conjunction, had this area around you that you didn't really feel welcome in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1161.0,1178.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1178.0,1178.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I'm curious, like, how did you—how did that, how did that make you feel about yourself? Growing up like that? Being Jewish and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1178.0,1191.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, well it made it me feel different and it made me you know, kind of stay—stay closer to home. And yeah, I just, you know, had a great sense of being different and I didn't have a lot of friends. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1191.0,1226.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Why? What? Why don't you think you had a lot of friends?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1226.0,1228.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: I think the—being Jewish and, you know, the guys, maybe you know, perceiving me as kind of being not the—not the toughest guy. Yeah it was—in that area that was very tough, you know, because I mean, you know, the culture was different then, and in that neighborhood very much so, you know. I mean, you hear you hear about this in other cities, other neighborhoods about the rivalries between the ethnic groups and the religions, and they're, you know, people were more—were poor, more working class, and it just was a little kind of a tougher way to be. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1228.0,1277.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Were your parents—would you say that they were, culturally and you know, spiritually Jewish? Or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1277.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yes, yes. We never practiced too much. A bit. And we didn't go to temple on any kind of a regular basis, but we were very definitely Jewish. Culturally. Yeah but, you know, a lot of Jewish people don't necessarily go to temple and we didn't, but, you know, we ate Jewish food and my grandparents were all—were religious. And I would go to my mother's—my grandmother—and I would see my other—my father's parents, both sides of the family, but not at their house, my father's parents, we would always go out to dinner with them, but I would always go—at least on Saturday—always over to my mother's parents house, my grandparents on my mother's side, every Saturday and they observe the Sabbath. So, I was aware of the Sabbath and, you know, we ate Kosher food, but even our home, we weren't kosher, but we ate Jewish food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1286.0,1354.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Were you... So you mentioned that you felt different? Were they—were there instances where you tried to not be different? To fit in? You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1354.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, you know, I think I felt like, well, you know, when I would transfer—I mentioned transferred back and forth in grammar school. I went to eight different grammar schools, including those transfers. Lawson was a little bit better neighborhood. A little, a little more Jewish, especially when you first started going there, because it was on the West Side, and it was a little bit more middle class. So there I, you know, made a—some friends. I made some friends there in that neighborhood, but then my mother would stop working at the store and so, I transferred back to Reese. So that was, you know, that didn't last. That was kind of a back and forth kind of thing, but then finally jumping ahead till, you know. So we stayed at—we stayed at Jane Addams in the projects, longer than most other white families, most other more or less middle class families. You know, when I was born in 1943, we were like everybody else, but we stayed longer than many. We were there, we moved—I remember I was 11 and a half. So it was October of 1954 and by then that the neighborhood had—the projects had changed drastically and so we moved. It was like a night and day kind of situation. We moved from the projects this lower middle class, even by the time we moved maybe less than that, area, to an upper middle class neighborhood on the Northwest side. Budlong Woods around ___ and California. It was really a very, very, very nice neighborhood. My father was doing a little bit better financially and so we moved up there. And then it was like night and day in terms of neighborhood and night and day in terms of me making friends. I made friends there. I didn't feel such an outsider and I made some wonderful friends that lasted. We moved again about three years later, but some wonderful friends that lasted those three years and even after. Even till today, I'm in touch with a couple of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1363.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Why? Why do you feel like it was, like, why you were able to—why you felt like you weren't as different?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1505.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, it was a Jewish neighborhood, so I wasn't called dirty Jew and they were a little bit more accepting of a guy who wasn't as tough and ready to fight as they were. Yeah, yeah. So yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1511.0,1528.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yes. It sounds like—it sounds like in Little Italy, like, like, being, being tough, you know, was a kind of a way of fitting in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1528.0,1538.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Even if you weren't you had to at least pretend to be and I didn't. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1538.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I mean, you mentioned—I'm curious, I wanna hear—I mean, hear more about the nei—like what you would do in Jane Addams or in the neighborhood like you mentioned, going to George Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1544.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Garden.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1553.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Sorry, Garden Theater and grocery—going different grocery store. Are there any like, you know, moments, time that you spent in the neighborhood that were positive that you kind of think of? You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1553.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Um, only like with some of the older girls who lived in the area, were kind of—one was a babysitter of mine. I liked her a lot. Yeah, no, I didn't like that neighborhood. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1575.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: It wasn't positive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1595.0,1597.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: No, you know, it was, yeah. I didn't like that neighborhood and, and we all we were gone lot too. I mean, you know, I'd go to the store, like I told you, and I even transferred schools. Yeah. So I, yeah, my sister had a much better experience because she was four and a half years older, and it was always a better neighborhood for her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1597.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, I was gonna ask you that. I was curious. You mentioned like, for her was better. Like, why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1624.0,1629.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, because [crosstalk] Yeah. You know, she was four and a half years older. So, so the neighborhood was always much better for her, you know, because it kept getting worse, the neighborhood and then she got into high school and transferred to a high school outside of the neighborhood. You know, that was in a much nicer neighborhood and, and, you know, she, she made friends much more easily than I did in that environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1629.0,1665.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I'm curious, when you say it was getting worse, that like the neighborhood was getting worse, what do you mean by that? Like, what, what what, what exactly were you seeing that made you think that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1665.0,1679.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Okay, well, you know, it's—one doesn't want to be racist but, you know, I mean, what was happening is that it went from being a predominantly white, lower middle class and middle class neighborhood, with families, including a considerable number of Jewish families. More and more to African American and, you know, I'm not—I'm not a prejudiced person, but, you know, the environment changes and I think the projects were a little less well maintained and they were getting older anyway, you know, they needed work. So it deteriorated, they weren't keeping it up and you know, we were now outsiders in another way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1679.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Oh, okay. When you say the building maybe wasn't being kept up with, what, are there certain things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1740.0,1744.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: I— you know, I'm a little, I was still a little too young to remember all that. I'm just imagining that I guess it wasn't is what it is. My sense is that it wasn't. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1744.0,1756.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Were—in the neighborhood, were there, you know, were there abandoned buildings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1756.0,1765.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: No [crosstalk] no, no. Just, just the fact that the demographics were changing in the neighborhood. And I think the upkeep of the projects was less","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1765.0,1780.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Did you—a lot of folks have talked about playing in in the sculpture part, animal—I don't know if that was there, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1780.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, it was there. That was, that was not in our courtyard. We lived in one of the biggest courtyards. It went from Roosevelt, almost all the way down to Taylor and so I don't believe they had any of those sculptures in our courtyard. Maybe they did, but I don't think so. I think the most famous one was just on the other side of Taylor Street. Okay, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1789.0,1816.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: So you never went over?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1816.0,1817.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: I didn't go over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1817.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Was it because you didn't feel welcome over there? Just didn't know anyone there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1819.0,1824.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, I didn't know anyone there. And that was kind of that area where we were less welcome. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1824.0,1836.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Are there any—I'm curious, are there any fond memories of your parents? Maybe like, a holiday or something that kind of you think of, you know, in those early years that you shared with your parents or with your family,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1836.0,1850.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: In terms of the projects? Or just overall?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1850.0,1853.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Like, yeah, or growing up in Jane Addams? Maybe in that time period of your life there anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1853.0,1859.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, yeah, you know, we would, we would go away from the neighborhood, you know, and on the weekends, yeah. We would always go away from the neighborhood. We would go to relatives, relatives and aunts who lived on the South Side in a much nicer neighborhood, and she had kids our age and we would always go there on the, you know, on Sunday. Or, we would often—my father would like to go to, drive over into Michigan, we would drive, maybe leave early in the morning, come back late at night on Sunday. We would go out to the forest preserves, all the time. My father loved to do that and we would drive out to the western suburbs, where the nearest forest preserves, we would go there throughout the summer, and barbecue other families and and some of the other aunts and uncles, with their families would we'd all meet out there. And we would, you know, be out in the forest preserves and swim. They had pools, and barbecue, that was a big summertime activity, or sometimes we drive over to Michigan or something or up to Wisconsin. But in terms of staying in the projects, and no, we would we would go away from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1859.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Are you familiar with plan for transformation? No? Okay, that's a that was a initiative done by Chicago Housing Authority to kind of involve, like, kind of, they say,they claim was to spruce up different different housing projects. I was curious if you were familiar with it, and what your thoughts were about it, but if you don't know what it was, don't worry about it. Great. I'm,  I'm curious. You know, cuz we, before we started this thing, I asked you like, do you go back to the neighborhood? Yeah, like, what's it like for you to go back to the neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1945.0,1988.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: It's, it's always a mixed kind of thing. You know, um, you know, on the one hand, I'm proud that you know, my life has gone in the direction it has, I mean, I born and raised in the projects, lived there till I was 11 and a half years old and now I live a block and a half from where we're sitting here, the Poetry Foundation, you know, and then your North sider more or less than the Gold Coast. So, you know, I'm, I'm proud that I was able to make that, you know, leap. I don't know if leap is the right word but, you know, that that's how my life became because I worked for at all. So, So yes, I go back to the neighborhood and I love going back there. We talked about that. They've got some great restaurants there. I'm very into architecture. I love the surviving old buildings from the Italian part of the neighborhood, you know, there's beautiful architecture. I'm retired and one of the things I do in my retirement is, I'm an architecture, an architectural tour guide. I give tours, and I love architecture. I love Chicago architecture and so I go there, and I look at the old buildings and there's one surviving building from the projects, you know, and I noticed that that building is sort of almost like an Art Deco Art Modern style. They tried to build the projects in in a nice, I think low cost, but nice architectural style. So, so I go there, and I look at the architecture, and go to the restaurants, and I feel, you know, memories of the way the the neighborhood used to be. And, you know, it's not all as horrible as maybe I'm making this sound. And I think some of those good feelings surface for me and, and I feel a sense of pride that, you know, I started there but you know, I'm you know, fine now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=1988.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: How do you think it shaped you? How do you think this experience, you know, your first 11 years of your life growing up there? How did that shape your—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2135.0,2143.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I had a friend, I feel like it didn't shape me. I feel like I stood apart from it but I think that's too naive. You can't be born somewhere and live there for 11 and a half years old, till your 11 and a half years old and not be shaped by it. A friend recently told me he wasn't aware that I was born and raised in the projects. I don't tell people that I was born and raised in the projects. In fact, I never mentioned it to anybody for years and years and years and years. Just recently, I've started to mention it to one or two people and this person said to me, \"Well, no wonder you are as sympathetic to, you know, some social and political issues as you are.\" But I don't know that that comes from the projects. I think that just comes from a Jewish heritage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2143.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Okay. What are the things that you believe, these, these sort of social justice issues or politics that you believe in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2197.0,2208.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, you know, I mean, I believe in progressive issues, and you know, all the things that aren't Trump. Yeah, you know, social services, and, you know, political, progressive issues, political issues, you know, I support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2208.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: So you feel like that comes more from the Jewish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2229.0,2232.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, I think that comes more from my Jewish cultural background. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2232.0,2240.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: We didn't talk a little bit about after you moved, because you—so so you moved to the Northwest Side, or the?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2240.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Northwest Side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2245.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, Northwest Side. So did you, do you ever go—because then you've also mentioned that your aunt lived down the street when you were in Little Italy. So did you ever come come back to Little Italy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2246.0,2255.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: No, they moved before we did. Almost everybody that we knew moved. Everybody that we knew moved before we did. We stayed, you know. So I was born in 1943. By around 1950, people were starting move out because more housing was available. They were building new homes and things and people started to move out. So by 1950, the neighborhood really started to change and then by 50, October of 1954, I don't remember the exact date but I know it was October of 1954. The neighborhood, you know, was very different and all those people that I grew up with were gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2255.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: You mentioned that, you mentioned that you—it's been recently you've been telling people that you lived in public housing. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2298.0,2305.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2305.0,2306.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: What what what caused that shift? Like what made you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2306.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I still only told a couple of people, but now I feel almost proud of the fact that I was born and raised there and, you know, now I live, you know. Now I have this other lifestyle and live in a different kind of neighborhood. Yeah, so I'm not ashamed of it. But for you know, a long time that was sort of something you didn't, you know. I'm, I'm not the only one who didn't say, \"I was born and raised in the projects.\" People didn't announce it, I don't think and not that many people were, but I always think well, Barbra Streisand was born and raised in projects. It was a different time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2310.0,2327.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, yeah. My next question was more along the lines of, you know. I think sometimes people have a negative idea about the projects. So I'm curious, how do you feel about that, that kind of sentiment? Do you, do you—do you agree with it? Do you think it's warranted people to have kind of a negative idea about, about public housing, or do you feel like it's wrong?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2327.0,2349.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Uh, I think that public housing, affordable housing, is so important and I, I wish that you know, there was good, affordable housing for everyone. And that is, you know, they say housing is a human right, is that the term? And medicine, healthcare is a human right. You know, I, you know, and I believe that. So, I wish there was, you know, good, safe, clean, public, affordable housing for the people who need it and I support that, um, and I'm glad it was there for us. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2349.0,2420.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Why? Why do you feel like people stigmatize it in that, like, in that way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2420.0,2424.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I think it is racial, you know, because so much of public housing and minorities and, you know, it tends to get, you know, have a lot of violence. Of course, now, there's just violence too much in too many areas of Chicago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2424.0,2450.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: I meant to ask you, you know, I mean, you weren't there in the—you weren't in ___ in the 60s, or in Jane Addams, but you were I mean, you probably heard that UIC was built there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2450.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2466.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: What were your—did you have any feelings about that? You know, looking back at your old neighborhood and because that affected, you know, people who live there along with Jane Addams Homes. When you heard that, do you remember how you felt? Do you think it was a good thing, a bad thing? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2466.0,2484.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, I can't think of her name right now, butut there was that Italian woman who really led the effort to stop the University of Illinois.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2484.0,2492.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Florence Scala.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2492.0,2493.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: What was her last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2493.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Scala.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2494.0,2495.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah. She or her family eventually opened a restaurant. But yeah, I remember that whole issue. It was a big crucial issue, but that was back in the 50s, shortly after we moved. After we moved that became a big issue. When I go back there now and I see these old buildings I was telling you about that, I look at the architecture, and I love it. I think there's so many fine buildings there. I think I wish more of the community had been preserved. But back then, I was aware of, that, what was going on and how Mayor Daley wanted to put the UIC campus there, and how she [Florence Scala] and others in the community, you know, strongly opposed it. I don't, I don't remember having a real strong opinion on that. Nothing I can remember. Yeah, I would have been a teenager and then also in those days, you know, so, so much was torn down. No matter how architecturally significant it was. It was torn down in the name of new is better/ So, but I wish I wish that she had succeeded, and that the, more of that community had been preserved, I guess. I think about that when I go back there and I'm glad that there is as much remaining. I love what remains and I love, I love that they're going to preserve at least one building of the Jane Addams Housing Projects, if you had to be [pause] from a housing project, I think it was good that we were at Jane Addams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2495.0,2618.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. How come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2618.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Because I think it was one of the better ones. I don't know, but I think it was one of the better ones. And it was low rise, you know, and we lived on the first floor. So yeah, I think that, you know, we were, I'm glad we were Jane Adams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2621.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Why does that make you emotional, I'm just curious? That is a weird question to ask, like why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2639.0,2643.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure because I guess, I guess it maybe betrays a little bit somewhat, that I, you know, that I actually maybe have stronger feelings about having been born and raised there are maybe even some more positive feelings than I kind of indicated earlier. Maybe that, I don't know, but there were good things about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2643.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah. Real quick, real quickly, we talked a little bit about what what the apartment looked like you mentioned the tiles. Are there any memories of like the furniture in the room, like. what kind of furniture did you have? Was there a TV?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2675.0,2691.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Well, thankfully, we got a TV. Yeah. Well, so in the living room, my sister and I slept in the living room and we had twin beds and the twin beds were at one end of living room, near the window, on either side of the window. And then, at the foot of my sister's bed was the sofa, the living room sofa. It could hold maybe three people, I think it was blue. It was kind of tufted, and blue tufted, kind of textured velvet, not velvet, but a textured twill kind of a fabric, I think and there was a matching lounge chair that sat on the sofa. Sofa was against the wall, the lounge chair was at an angle over here to the right, and little head of the sofa. And then at the foot of my bed was a dresser, a low, you know, a low dresser, whatever you call those things. And eventually, when we got a TV, the TV went there. So we'd sit on the sofa, my father usually sat in the chair, and we'd watch TV. And then the kitchen had a, you know, a table and we would eat in there, when we ate at home. And in the bedroom, there was a double bed and a dresser.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2691.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Um, is there anything else that I haven't asked or anything comes to mind that maybe you want to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2778.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Um yeah, I guess, you know. Also, when when we moved finally, not just when I was transferring back and forth between Reese and Lawson. The area around Lawson was a little bit better neighborhood, but not that much different. But when we finally moved to the Northwest Side to Budlong Woods, that was night and day in terms of neighborhood, but also in terms of the school. You know, at Reese, and even at Lawson, I was always one of the smartest kids in the class. But when we move to Budlong Woods and I went to Jameson, in sixth grade, I was no longer the smartest kid in class. So that was an adjustment for me, but at the same time, I feel like 95% of what I learned, I went to college, graduated, went to graduate school, I feel like 90% of what I learned in my entire life was in sixth, seventh and eighth grade at Jameson. This school, the neighborhood, you know, school that we moved to—that I went to when we moved to Budlong Woods. That was such a good school, and I had such great teachers, and I learned so much there. And this friend of mine that I mentioned, I'm still in touch with a couple of friends from then, he said to me independently a few years ago that he feels like 90%—or I don't know if he said 90—but the majority of what he ever learned in college or anytime in his whole education, was in those same years at Jameson. So, you know, it was—while I wasn't the smartest kid in class anymore, and that was a little bit of an adjustment, it was a great school and it was a great experience educationally and socially for me. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2789.0,2899.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: My last question really quick. So, I mean, just to clarify. So your aunt lived down the street, you said?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2899.0,2907.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Yeah, she lived in, the other end of the same courtyard, different entrance, several courtyard—several entrances away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2907.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: So she also lived at Jane Addams? Yes. Okay. That's my clarification.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2913.0,2919.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: But they moved at least three or four years before we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2919.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Okay. Great. Anything else before? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2923.0,2930.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Um, no, I, you know, I told my sister I was going to be doing this and she'd give you a different story. She'd give you a much more positive his story than I, but she's—she left Chicago. She lives in California. Now, whenever she comes to town, which is not often, it's very rare that she comes to Chicago maybe once every five or six years. We always go there of course, to you know, not just to eat but to see the old neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2930.0,2960.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FS: Yeah, cool. Maybe Maybe we can record her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2960.0,2964.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122/transcript/81101/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AS: Okay, I'll let her know. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/135037/file/250122#t=2964.0,2968.94694"}]}]}]}