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This transcript captures, to the best of the creator’s ability, the words of the person being interviewed and the interviewer. Some filler words have been edited out for clarity. Readers are encouraged to refer directly to the original audio when possible. The narrator has reviewed and approved this transcript. Readers should also bear in mind that the beliefs, opinions, and/or any offensive language expressed by the Narrator do not represent The National Public Housing Museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie Taylor: [1957 to] 1964 [cuts out] —to save money and that it was cheaper to where we were going. And when I saw it, where we were going to move, it was daunting. It was 19 stories. It was a thousand kids outside. And just not something that I was used to. So, it was very scary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=0.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú Chen: How did that first few months go living there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=35.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Difficult, transitional, changes, you know, changes are difficult, you know, it was a whole different kind of environment with all those kids. And some of them weren’t very nice. So, we had to learn, as my mother said, we had to learn to survive. And we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=39.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Do you have any particular, you know, memory of kind of that lesson starting to learn to survive there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=63.0,74.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Well, I have a great memory of learning to survive when we first went outside to play. And some of the kids weren’t very nice. And we were new and they started running after us. And telling us that they were going to beat us up. That was me and my little brother. So, we lived on the second floor and we ran up the stairs and they followed us. And we panickedly knocked on my door. And my mother kind of opened it a little bit and said, “What’s wrong?” And we said, “Well, these kids are going to beat us up.” And my mother said, “Handle it.” And she shut and locked the door. So, I told my brother, “Let’s go. We got to handle this.” And after we, I’m not proud of the violence, but we had to fight. And, you know, after we beat up, the leader there was, that was, that was my first lesson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=74.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, yeah. And you said around 57, so you were probably like around six, five or six?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=147.0,153.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah, I was around six, seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=153.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=155.0,3754.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3754.0,3756.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. And your brother was older, younger?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3756.0,3760.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3760.0,3761.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Wow. Okay. So, who else lived with you and your household besides your younger brother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3761.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Well, when we first moved in, it was my mother, my father, my two brothers and my sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3768.0,3778.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: And, you know, tell me more about your relationships with them? [pause] Liú: Or you don’t have to, that’s okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3778.0,3786.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I’ve been rather not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3786.0,3789.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Okay, that’s fine. Yeah, that’s fine. Do you have any mentors, adults, or teachers who shaped your life’s trajectory?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3789.0,3800.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Of course. Don’t we all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3800.0,3801.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3801.0,3802.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3802.0,3802.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3802.0,3802.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: There was Mr. Houston of Seward Park, who was very instrumental in my life. He’s no longer on this earth, but he helped me to understand that I was a great person, and I had goodness inside of me. And I just had to reach for it. I went to Catholic school. So, Sister Celestine was my 6th, 7th, and 8th grade teacher. And she saw that I was an artist, and she nurtured that. She nurtured it. And that was a great, great time. So, you know, I mean, you know, in every decade, there’s always, if you’re lucky, there’s always someone who helps you to move to the, to the next sector of your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3802.0,3856.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, you know, I’m really, I have listened to your, your History Makers interview. So, I know, you know, I recognize some of the names and stuff, but just so we can, you know, have it for our archive, which is a bit more accessible than the History Makers one. Tell me more about your earliest memories of writing or creating, you know, expressing yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3856.0,3883.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Oh, I was writing and creating, by the time I was two years old, I used to go in the closet. And I would talk to the people in the closet. And I would write, make up plays. I didn’t know they were plays. I just was, you know, playing different characters. And they were talking to me. And I was talking to them. And my mother would say, “We’re not going to discuss you going into the closet and talking to people in public,” because she said “that’s crazy. And people won’t understand. So, we’re going to keep that to ourselves.” And then my mother, she was a writer. And I don’t know what she wrote. I have the slightest idea, but there were millions of papers of her writing in the closet, just tons and tons. So, I started writing. Didn’t know what I was doing, you know, and it wasn’t anything that you could, it was gibberish. It was childish stuff, but I started writing because she was writing. And when she started writing, I started writing. And when she would ask me, “Well, what did you write?” And I would say, oh—I would make up some crazy story that I was pretending to read. And that was my early, that’s my two, three, four. And then in five, I went to pre-kindergarten. And I learned that the letters were real. They, you know, they were real, and they really meant something. So, I was quite proficient at understanding and putting the sounds together. And that’s when I started writing writing, for real. And I would write poems. And if I was feeling a certain way, I would write it down. Or if I didn’t like somebody, I would write it down. So, yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been writing all my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=3883.0,4034.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, sounds like it. I mean, that’s really young to be writing already when you’re less than five—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4034.0,4040.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I was copying my mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4040.0,4042.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love that. How did you kind of start to really, you know, discover your love for the theater and for like, creating whole productions of art?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4042.0,4058.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: When I was in grade school, the first few years I was awful, because I had a lot of anger inside of me. But then I had a teacher. She was a nun. She’s not a nun anymore. She was a nun. Her name was Sister Celestine. And when I first got into her class, she said—and I started clowning, cause I, you know, I had to be the center of attention. And she said, “If you make better choices, I will let you put on plays in the auditorium.” And I didn’t quite know what a play was, but I was like, “in the auditorium, and I get to do something that I, that I create.” So, I said, “okay,” and I started making better choices, the choices that I knew that she wanted me to make. And that led me to writing plays like a different version of Scrooge, the Swingin’ Wizard of Oz. And she let me do that. She created what she called Spirit Days. And I was in charge of the Spirit Days. And they would put my name up, “Jackie Taylor Spirit Days,” up where you could—you know. And I mean, that was, that was just genius when I looked back. But so she would let, she said, anyone who has a C average can work with Jackie and can be in the play. So everybody was striving to, you know, be a C—and so soon I had almost all of the classroom in there. And I just, it was just a natural progression. I started writing. I started directing. I put together productions where the kids would write, and then they would perform, and I would put it together. And I did that from my sixth, seventh, and eighth grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4058.0,4218.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Wow. It’s beautiful how that became a motivation not only for you, but for your classmates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4218.0,4228.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4228.0,4229.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: And really put you in a position of leadership very early on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4229.0,4233.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Sister Celestine was a genius.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4233.0,4237.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=4237.0,7836.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I hope she’s still around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=7836.0,7840.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. Yeah. What do you, how would you say—like what did creativity and writing like what did it do for you kind of as a person, especially as a young person kind of growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=7840.0,7858.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: It gave me pride. It made me, it gave me self esteem. It helped me to understand that no matter my circumstances, no matter how rough it was in my household, no matter if we had money or we didn’t have money or we had bean sandwiches for lunch, no matter what, I still had that talent. And I held on to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=7858.0,7887.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. That’s beautiful. Thank you. Let’s see. So tell me about kind of what prompted you to found the Black Ensemble Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=7887.0,7902.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Well, I’m an actress. My first film was Cooley High.  And that propelled me into the national arena. And in that participating on that level, I had experienced racism all my life, you know, I’m Black. United States is one of the most racist countries in the world. So I was, you know, I was used to it, but not on the level that I experienced as a professional actress under contract. And Cooley High was a, it was a very different kind of movie. It was very positive, in the sense that the message was you got to, you know, go for your dreams. Don’t let go of your dreams. And so I thought all the films were going to be like that. I was very naive. However, they weren’t. They were very degrading. They were degrading to not only to black people, of course, but they, they honored violence. They basically said women had no role in society except to sell their bodies or have babies. The roles—when I read them, I was, I was devastated that they wanted to put this stuff up, that this is what they were backing. And I went to the writers. And I said, “You’re lying. This is not real. This is not based on the reality of who we are as a people. You’ve taken the worst, and you’ve glorified it. And the worst exists in every culture, not only ours, so why are you choosing to glorify ours?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=7902.0,8047.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And they laughed. And they said, “Little lady, we don’t care that it’s not the truth. The only thing that we care about is money. And if it sells, we’ll keep writing it the way that it writes until it doesn’t sell anymore.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8047.0,8074.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: So I decided, I don’t want to do this. So I came back to Chicago. And I said, “I got to make a difference.” I want to make a difference. I just don’t want it to be status quo and accept it that this is the right shit to do. So I decided I couldn’t do it through film, of course, because I don’t know that genre, except for acting. But I did know theater because my professor at Loyola, he ran the theater department like it was the real world. And he said, the way that he was running it, if we wanted to start our own theater, we would be able to. And we would know the realities of what that meant. So I decided that’s how I was going to make a difference. I started the Black Ensemble Theater with the mission to eradicate racism. And now we’re celebrating our 50th anniversary!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8074.0,8135.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: I know. I know. It’s incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8135.0,8138.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8138.0,8139.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: It’s really incredible. The legacy that you’ve built. And I hope you’re really proud of yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8139.0,8144.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I didn’t do it by myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8144.0,8146.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8146.0,8147.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8147.0,8147.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: I know you didn’t.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8147.0,8148.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8148.0,8149.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: But you know, you’re at the helm of the ship. And just like with Miss Celestine’s class, it’s your vision, along with the help of your peers, that’s really allowed it to grow, and thrive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8149.0,8164.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8164.0,8165.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8165.0,8166.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I beg good. [Liú laughs] That’s, you know—gotta have money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8166.0,8171.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [Both laugh] Okay. I have a bunch of, you know, different directions I want to go, but you brought up Cooley High. And I did—[cell phone starts ringing] Is that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8171.0,8183.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: No, that’s me. Don’t, don’t worry about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8183.0,8183.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Okay. Okay. I did want to ask a specific question on that, which was, you know, like you said, it was such a standout film in that it was positive. And it was positive about specifically the public housing community at a time when only the negatives were shown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8183.0,8204.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8204.0,8206.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: And so what did that mean to you as, you know, a former resident, the film’s written by another former resident, and what did that do for you and your career?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8206.0,8217.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: That’s a good question, now. I never could have answered that question when I was making the movie. But it was, it was a lot of Cabrini nights in that film. And they filmed a lot of it right down the street from where my project used to be. So what it did really was to bring back a lot of memories, you know. I was, even though I was—I had a major role in that I was Johnny Mae, Cochise’s girlfriend, I still got to see so many of my peers who I grew up with. And that was just amazing. It was amazing. So what did it do for me?  It solidified what I knew: that there was good and bad in the housing project. And this was a good movie that glorified the good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8217.0,8298.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that, that kind of answers my follow-up, but I’m curious, like, did it shape your creative and artistic practice and how you, you know, how you wrote and how you, you know, envisioned and then led your company?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8298.0,8315.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: The film didn’t. No. What shaped my, how I wrote was my philosophy. I just always believed that no matter how hard or rough it got, that there’s some good in it, something good is going to come out of it. And I made all my stories, no matter what they were, I made them with positive endings. Because that was my belief and that’s what I wanted. And I had enough of negative endings. So, you know, I said, I’m not going to create a theater that’s going to make the audience feel bad or feel guilty or feel depressed. I mean, they can turn on the TV and that’ll help them and it’s free. They can throw that all day. I wanted to create a theater that would uplift, that would be joy-filled, that would tell the truth about African-American people and our accomplishments. And that would educate so that people would understand as human beings, we’re all alike and how stupid of us to divide ourselves based on the color of our skin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8315.0,8397.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Mmm. Mhmm. Absolutely. Are there any other ways that living and public housing shaped your work and the stories that you tell?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8397.0,8413.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Um. [pause] Not—No, just [pause] I wouldn’t say public housing as much as family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8413.0,8427.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Tell me more about how you define family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8427.0,8436.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: How do I define family? It’s a unit of people that live together sometime and they may be related, they may not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8436.0,8447.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. So, back on the Black Ensemble Theater, I hear you have a pretty good story about scouting locations for where you are now in Uptown. Do you want me to tell you more about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8447.0,8466.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Scouting locations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8466.0,8468.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, to get to the building that you are now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8468.0,8471.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Oh, okay. Well, when I decided that I was going to start a theater, I was walking down the street and I was saying to myself, out loud, by the way, some people were really, you know, that now it’s nothing because they’re talking on their phone, but then it was like, “oh my god, what is wrong with her?” And I was talking about how I wanted a theater and what I was going to do. And I was walking down the street and I stopped and I looked up and it said theater for rent. And I was like, “Wow, this is, it must be meant to be theater for rent.” And I went in there and there was this man sitting in there and he, he said, “Can I help you, young lady?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8471.0,8527.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I said, “Yeah, I want to rent your theater.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8527.0,8531.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And he said, “Well, it’s a very expensive venture, you know.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8531.0,8538.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I said, “Yeah, I don’t know, but I figured,” you know. I said, “How much does it cost?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8538.0,8545.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: He said, “Well, the lights are $250 a month. And to use the dressing rooms, that’s another $250.” He said, “When you use the box office, that’s going to be $150.” And he totaled it all up. He said, “So, you know, it’s going to cost you about $1,500 a month to rent this theater.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8545.0,8572.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I said, “Well, you know, when you rent a house, you don’t pay to use the lights. You don’t pay to use the bathroom. You don’t pay—” I said, “I’ll give you $200 a month. This theater is empty, take it or leave it.” And he laughed and he took it. That was my first theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8572.0,8597.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Then I moved to different Hull Houses because of my education programs. They wanted me to be there. So I was at the Hull House on Broadway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8597.0,8607.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Then I was at the Hull House on Beacon [St]. In that Hull House, I was in for 25 years. And I started thinking about how to sustain and how to build succession and how to grow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8607.0,8630.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I said, “Okay, we got to get our own place. We’re renting. We’ve been renting for 25 years. And we don’t know if this place is going to be here tomorrow or not.” I said, “It’s not sustainable. We can’t plan. We can’t do anything here except rent.” So I went to my board at that time, and I said, “We got to have our own theater. We got to build our own theater.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8630.0,8664.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And they said, “Well, how much is that going to cost us?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8664.0,8668.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I said, “Well, I think it might cost at least $20 million to actually build what we need.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8668.0,8675.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And they said, “No.” They said, “You can’t do it. You don’t have that kind of money. And it’s foolish.” So I sent them all letters thanking them for their service. And as far as I was concerned, they were volunteers. They weren’t spending any money. They were volunteers, and if they didn’t like my idea—I’m going to stop because you say? No, that’s not going to work for me. So I started building a board that would support this idea of owning our own space. And I was lucky to get some wonderful people who, you know, my first question was, “I want to build a $20 million theater. What do you think of that?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8675.0,8728.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And if they said, “Oh [laughs] oh, Jackie, you’re so funny.” If they said some stuff like that, mm-mm! “Okay, well, thank you.” [Liú starts laughing] “I’m so happy that we talked. Thank you.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8728.0,8741.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: But if they said, “Well, you know, we have to look into how we can do that.”Then they became a board member. And that’s how it all really began. I started looking because I wanted somewhere in the area, because we were at 4520 N. Beacon [St]. And our audience was used to coming there. So I said, “Well, let’s try to get something close here so that we’re not far from where our audiences used to coming.” And there was this big warehouse on the corner of [N.] Clark [St] and [W.] Sunnyside [Ave]. And I was like, “That would, that’s a big building.” And it was totally empty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8741.0,8786.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I found out who owned it. It was a man named Mr. Man(n?). And Mr. Man lived in California. So I called Mr. Man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8786.0,8799.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And I said, “Hi, Mr. Man. My name is Jackie Taylor. 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Do they, do they need it?” I said, “You must be a very wealthy, wealthy man because you have property all over Chicago, California. So many different places.” I said, “And it’s been empty for years.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8821.0,8839.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: I said, “So consider, consider that.” I said, “What have you done for Black people lately?” And there was this big silence. And he said, “Well, I don’t, I don’t owe my wealth to Black people.” I said, “I didn’t say that. I said, “what have you done for Black folks lately?”And he said, “Well, I haven’t been in a position to.” I said, “Well, you are now.” I said, “So think about it.” And he thought about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8839.0,8871.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And he said, “Well, I’ll charge you” so and so. And I said, “What, Mr. Man? Come on now! Why don’t you just give me the building? It’s the—I’m tax exempt! Take it off your taxes! You don’t care about this little measly money that this might cost.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8871.0,8893.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And he said, “Yes, I do. That’s how I got wealthy.” He said, “I appreciate—” he said, “You should run for office.” He said, “Because you’re good.” He said, “I almost considered it!” He said, “But no, I’m not going to give you the building.” He said, “But what I will do is I’ll work with you. And I will charge you a monthly fee and give you a contract that says when we get a certain amount of money, the building will be yours.” And that’s how we worked it. And I said, “Okay, that’s, that’s great.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8893.0,8936.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And we went about raising $20 million to build the Black Ensemble Theatre Cultural Center. And it used to be new, but now it’s 15 years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8936.0,8951.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8951.0,8952.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: So now what we’re going to do is I have to ensure that Black Ensemble Theater survives beyond Jackie Taylor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8952.0,8961.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8961.0,8962.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Because after 50 years, people think Jackie Taylor and Black Ensemble Theater exists together, where we don’t. Black Ensemble Theatre is its own entity. And Jackie Taylor is her own entity. And someday I envision myself at 90 or 95 going away with my 50-year-old boyfriend and not worrying about the Black Ensemble Theater. Just, you know, checking in, “Hey, how y’all doing, you know?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8962.0,8993.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8993.0,8996.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: So what we decided to do is to create a community. A community that will support the theater financially and enhance our mission to eradicate racism. In the community, there would be a performing arts education center, a film technology center, affordable housing for artists, and retail. Retail that fed, that feed into the mission of our village, which we call “Free to Be.” Black Ensemble would have income outside of the ticket sales and foundations, corporations, you know, individuals. Those are wonderful things, but they’re very fragile revenue streams, and I had to have something that I knew would last, you know. So we bought up the property that we needed, and now we’re almost completing the first part, which is our studio theater, and that’s within the Black Ensemble Cultural Center. That’ll be done in October, because we wanted to increase the activity in the theater and serve more people, and raise more money. So that’s our first part. That’ll be complete. And we’ve hired another group—we’ve had one group who we hired for the capital campaign, I didn’t care for them. So now we’ve hired another group and we’re going to start that campaign again. And this project is going to cost about $75 million. So we got to get to work on raising that money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=8996.0,9127.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, yeah. You really are a force in nature. And you got that drive. You know, it’s amazing. That kind of leads right into another question I have, which is like, in 50 years from now when Black Ensemble Theater is at its 100 year mark, what’s your vision or your hope for that community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9127.0,9155.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: That it's thriving. That it’s thriving. That people come there of all colors and kind and feel very, very welcome. And they get nourished. They get nourished by the entertainment. They get nourished by the businesses that will be there. And they’ll get nourished from each other because it’s a community where no matter what you believe or no matter who you are, no matter what you are accepted and you are respected. And the community is taking very good financial care of the Black Ensemble Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9155.0,9204.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really sounds like you’re kind of nourishing this home for a lot of people in a lot of different ways. Yeah. So, kind of building on that a little bit, you know, are the museum institution. Obviously, we’re all about home and there’s housing in our building as well. And so I loved hearing that part about your vision. What does it mean for you to kind of see and visit this museum that’s dedicated to the people in history of public housing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9204.0,9249.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: It’s absolutely wonderful because number one, that public housing definitely, even though for the most part, has been destroyed. It helped and created a lot of support for the people who live there. Public housing did not grow into—when it started, there were all kinds of people there. It wasn’t—it was all kinds. And then, of course, as it got more—as the years passed, it became more African-American than anything else. And then, of course, because of the racism in society, they picked the negatives of, you know, community that housed what, I don’t even know, 50,000 people? I don’t even know what ours was. But so—what was the basic question? How do I feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9249.0,9331.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, visiting and seeing this museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9331.0,9335.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Oh, yeah. So, of course, I look for my projects, you know. And of course, they’re here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9335.0,9342.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9342.0,9342.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: which I love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9342.0,9343.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9343.0,9344.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And then, it also reminds me of the diversity that we experienced, not only racial diversity, but diversity in people. You know, I think that was one of the major learning, learning entities that we, that we had, because you had to deal with a whole lot of different people and different, at first, the stores and everything were owned by different nationalities. I mean, you had to deal with so many different issues and make so many different decisions that somebody living on a block in a house would never have to make. So, I think what, what this is important for people to understand that these just weren’t projects. You know, this was a community. A community where people grew up, and some people were negative and some people were positive—like any community. So, I think it’s important because living like that, even though when Mayor Daley—the first Mayor Daley—it was just his idea that this is where he’s going to put all the Black people in the city of Chicago, in these projects. It became, it became a level of support that you couldn’t find anywhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9344.0,9471.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Do you, do you stay in touch with anyone from your time in Cabrini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9471.0,9476.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yes. There is a family that helped to raise me, and Miss Taylor is her name, just happens to be her name and I was best friends with her daughter Patricia and that family I have stayed in touch with forever and I’m just thinking I gotta a call her. She is like my godmother to me and right now she’s 93 and my best friend, her daughter passed away and so my presence became very important and vital to her and that’s who we, you know, keep in touch with. At the theater, you know, there’s so many people who say, “what building did you grow up in?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9476.0,9546.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: “Oh, I grew up in 1160, what building did you grow up in?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9546.0,9549.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: “Oh, I grew up in 1119.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9549.0,9551.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: “Oh, yeah. Do you know the so-and-so family?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9551.0,9554.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: “Oh, yeah, I know them!” [Liú laughs] “They’ve lived on the 9th floor with—” you know, you get that all the time because, you know, a lot of people came from the projects okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9554.0,9564.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9564.0,9566.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: So, yeah, purposely, there was one family that definitely, and that’s the Taylors that, to this day, are part of my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9566.0,9577.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah, that’s beautiful. And I love that that sense of community still carries through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9577.0,9586.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9586.0,9586.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9586.0,9586.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Miss Taylor is 93. I’m like, “how did that happen, Miss Taylor? You just were—what?” She said, “Don’t ask.” [Both laugh]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9586.0,9601.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Time it just keeps moving and moving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9601.0,9603.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: That’s right. Waits for no one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9603.0,9606.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yep, yep. Do you remember, I mean, I’m guessing you did, meeting other artists and creatives in—when you were at Cabrini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9606.0,9619.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Well, Jerry Butler and his, his people, Curtis Mayfield, they used to sing in the hallway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9619.0,9627.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9627.0,9628.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: And we were watching because they, first of all, they were handsome. And we like looking at him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9628.0,9635.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9635.0,9636.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: But secondly, they sounded great. They sounded so good. So, yeah, I’m sure that has something to do with my creativity, you know, being able to hear them and watch them. And then there was the Five Stairsteps who they were kids who, I think they lived in the Row Houses. And they became famous in the recording industry. So, yeah, I mean, it was a lot of creativity. When I was a kid, I was able to take drama. I was able to take dance. I was able to take music at the Park District. And they were wonderful teachers.  So, I was exposed to all of that. And I think, you know, being exposed to the arts creates another sense of existence that if you don’t have it, your life is not balanced because we’re made up as creative souls. And we need art as a mandatory part of our existence, whether people understand that or not. So, I had—man, I took tap dance. I know how to—you know, all that stayed with me. Played the guitar, piano, and, you know, the—yeah, the arts were a great part of projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9636.0,9735.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9735.0,9736.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9736.0,9736.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Yeah. Did you know Katherine Davis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9736.0,9740.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9740.0,9740.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: She’s also in our archive. And I think you were similar time periods. So I was just curious. Yeah. Did you—so you mentioned guitar and piano. Did you have one instrument that you liked writing with? Like, did you write when you were, you know, writing music, did you write with piano or guitar or both?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9740.0,9760.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: The guitar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9760.0,9761.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Okay. Yeah. And when did you, like, when did you start learning the instruments and start—you know, we talked about writing plays, but when did you start writing music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9761.0,9772.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: My dad was a piano player. And he would, I don’t know where we would—we had a piano. And—well, no, we didn’t have a piano. There was a piano in Seward Park. And my dad would go over there and he would play. And I would play the high keys. And I don’t know where it came from. I could hear it. And I was just, I didn’t know what I was doing. I could play it. And my dad said, “She plays the piano.” So they got me a piano. And they got me a piano teacher. I hated the piano teacher. [Both laugh] I just, I, I—she stopped me from just being able to hear, and be free and move around those keys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9772.0,9840.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Mmmhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9840.0,9842.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: To the point where I didn’t, I didn’t want to take piano anymore. I said, “I don’t, I don’t want to do this,” because she, she just wasn’t a good teacher. But that was my first instrument. And once she got out of my life, I just played it, you know, I played what I heard. And that was that. Then when I got to college, my roommate had a guitar and I really liked the guitar. I was like, oh, and I could hear music. I started writing music because my mother said, “This is your last Christmas present from me.” And she bought me that guitar. I named the guitar Morris. And me and Morris, I still have Morris. We’re, we’re still together. And that was the, the instrument that I started hearing music. I started hearing lyrics.  So I started writing music. And that’s what I do to this day, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9842.0,9912.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Wow. That’s beautiful.  I want to respect your time because I know that you said you only have an hour. Is there anything else, any other stories that you want to include in this oral history interview that we haven’t gotten to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9912.0,9930.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Not that I can think of at this moment. I’ll probably leave and say, “oh, I should have told you about this. I should have said this.” But I can’t think of any right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9930.0,9942.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: That’s okay. That’s okay. Well, I mean, you can always—I will give you my number so you have that. And, you know, I’ll be at the, the gala. And we can always do another interview if there’s other things that you think of that you want to include. So one last question that we like to kind of include as much as we can. What does home mean to you? And how do you define home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9942.0,9965.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: Home. It reminds me of that song, [sings]“When I think of home, I think of a place.” [Liú laughs] But home. Home, home, home is is not a place. Home is [pauses] a spiritual sense of balance. Where no matter where you are, inside of you there is a feeling of security, joy, and belonging. To me, home can be anywhere as long as you have those entities within you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=9965.0,10029.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liú: Mmm. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=10029.0,10033.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jackie: My pleasure!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=10033.0,10036.0"},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"END OF INTERVIEW","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931#t=10036.0,2837.847"}]},{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://nphm.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2733/collection_resources/169387/file/307931/transcript/93627/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/093/627/original/Taylor__Jackie_Interview__1_Transcript_2026.03.20.docx?1778602992","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/093/627/original/Taylor__Jackie_Interview__1_Transcript_2026.03.20.docx?1778602992"}]}]}]}